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[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 52 points 2 years ago (11 children) Hopefully now a better future for Palestinians and Israelis is ahead. permalink fedilink source hideshow 22 child comments replies: [–] yesman@lemmy.world 71 points 2 years ago (12 children) I'm not sure the Palestinians will view being ethnically cleansed slightly less vigorously as a brighter future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 29 points 2 years ago Who said anything about doing it slightly less? I haven't heard that from the Israelis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) He was the mastermind behind the Oct. 7th attack. The world is a better place without him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (5 children) Nobody's arguing that. His death being good and the continued eradication of the Palestinian people by the IDF and Israeli state can coexist. To be perfectly clear, since this is the internet and people can't seem to have two concepts in their minds at once: The genocide of the Palestinian people needs to stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) [–] IAmNotACat@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but the masterminds behind levelling Gaza are still at large. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago Bold assumption to claim it will get less intense. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I am probably out of the loop but how does one go about Identifying a Palestinian without shooting everyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] catloaf@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Point your Tavor at them. If they run, they're Hamas. If they don't, they're well-disciplined Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Well I guess I am a Palestinian because if someone pointed a gun at me I would run. permalink fedilink source parent [–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think IDF also uses option B - explosives. Also very effective, since the only ones who get harmed by IDF weapons are Hamas, so everyone killed/harmed in the blast zone can safely be declared Hamas. /s permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (8 replies) [–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not while Netanyahu remains in power, he has no incentive to end this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago Neither does Israel in general, nor the US backing them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Netanyahu is indeed a problematic figure who take these situations into his advantage, maybe another would be better to make peace. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It’s the only way. The problem is that if he called an election tomorrow he would stand a good chance of winning it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 years ago How optimistic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Hamas was created as a reaction to Israel oppressing Palestinians. The resistance will continue until the oppressors stop oppressing them. Sinwar was not a charismatic guy who brainwashed everyone into attacking Israel. Israel oppressed Palestinians into violent resistance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago 100%, everyone thinking Palestinians were duped by Sinwar into striking back at Israel has no knowledge of the history of Israel as a Settler-Colonial project. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 28 points 2 years ago (12 children) As an Irish person, you can't end terrorism with violence. You just create martyrs to a cause, a cause which looks more and more legitimate the more civilians suffer and die because of said violence. "Kill the rebels" every 20 years did nothing for peace on Ireland for 800 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Stop making violence the only thing you'll react to in any way? Or indeed, stop responding to peaceful resistance with violence (eg the civil rights marches in Northern Ireland). It might seem like Palestine has been a hopeless mire forever, but there was a point in the 90s where the last reasonable leaders of both sides were coming together for a peaceful solution. Hamas and the Israeli right wing - the "both sides" of today - were on the fringe. Then Yitzhak Rabin was killed by an Israeli right-winger, Israel inexplicably responded by killing a Hamas leader, Arab civilians were massacred at the Cave of Patriarchs by an American Israeli, and Hamas responded with more bombings, Yassar Arafat died under siege by the IDF, Hamas took control of Gaza, and well, here we are. The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin is probably as impactful to history of that of Archduke Ferdinand, but seems to be being forgotten. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rabin was murdered by a Likud fanatic with personal ties to Mossad. Israel disputes any involvement of Mossad. Before the murder, Likud and other fascists called for the murder of Rabin and depicted him as new Hitler. After the murder of Rabin Netanyahu took power. While there were supposed center or progressive governments in between Netanyahus reigns, they all continued the annexation of more Palestinian land to make a two state solution or any solution except ethnic cleansing and genocide impossible. It is important to understand that all of Israels society has been poisoned into various degrees of fascism over the past 30 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* At this point the Israelis have made the two state solution impossible because of their settling of the best lands of the West Bank in such a way that makes a contiguous truly independent Palestinian state impossible. So the only way forward is Democracy with safety and equal rights for all, Jews, Muslims, Christians, and others from the river to the sea. The Israeli right of the last 30 years has basically made it a choice between genocide and apartheid and the end of Zionism as we know it. So there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Help - provide food, housing, education. Stop dehumanizing people. Help them build a peaceful future. Everyone will benefit from that. But that would require actual good will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (11 replies) [–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (5 children) the future that you speaking of called "west bank" where "Israeli occupier" put bounty on "indigenous Palestinian" homes for burning their cars or destroying their properties. Where the "Israeli occupier" open carry guns threatening or shooting "indigenous Palestinian" and if the "indigenous Palestinian" fight back in any form "since they don't have guns" they get into a military court, then prison, maybe without a charge, then get raped in prison, based on "Israeli sources" Pretending this not a case of apartheid genocidal military force is stupid considering the overwhelming evidence that you can find reading a few news article or maybe 5 minutes in Wikipedia. If you are bored maybe you can watch this episode of Anthony Bourdain "Palestine parts unknown" aired in 2013 and ask yourself if that the past and the current living condition what makes believe this will help in anyway! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_bVSRlaIjw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) [–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Not really likely. With all these kids and the younger generation terrorised/traumatized by Israel, hopes for a lasting peace is dim. Imagine your home and loved ones being torn into pieces right in front of your eyes by Israel all because of a terrorist attack that you played no part in. Now multiply this by tens of thousands...They will go on to be members or leaders of whatever terrorist/resistance organization follows hamas. It's an endless cycle where only people on the very top take advantage off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children) Nope, it will only intensify. Yahya Sinwar wasn't some evil mastermind manipulating and controlling the Palestinian people, they have been fighting an existential war against a genocidal entity that has been exterminating them for nearly a century. You can't get a ceasefire by killing someone beloved by the Palestinian people. You can hate Sinwar if you want and celebrate if you wish, but the Palestinian people are not celebrating right now, they are mourning. Historically, deaths of Hamas leaders have only hurt ceasefire talks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies) [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] kokesh@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably not the tens of thousands of murdered Palestinians. Homeless, without any future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Edit: I apologize for my cynicism, but I struggle to be hopeful about the prospects of Israel making peace with its surroundings nations and occupied territories. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yesman@lemmy.world 71 points 2 years ago (12 children) I'm not sure the Palestinians will view being ethnically cleansed slightly less vigorously as a brighter future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 29 points 2 years ago Who said anything about doing it slightly less? I haven't heard that from the Israelis. permalink fedilink source parent [–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) He was the mastermind behind the Oct. 7th attack. The world is a better place without him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (5 children) Nobody's arguing that. His death being good and the continued eradication of the Palestinian people by the IDF and Israeli state can coexist. To be perfectly clear, since this is the internet and people can't seem to have two concepts in their minds at once: The genocide of the Palestinian people needs to stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) [–] IAmNotACat@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but the masterminds behind levelling Gaza are still at large. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago Bold assumption to claim it will get less intense. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I am probably out of the loop but how does one go about Identifying a Palestinian without shooting everyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] catloaf@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Point your Tavor at them. If they run, they're Hamas. If they don't, they're well-disciplined Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Well I guess I am a Palestinian because if someone pointed a gun at me I would run. permalink fedilink source parent [–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think IDF also uses option B - explosives. Also very effective, since the only ones who get harmed by IDF weapons are Hamas, so everyone killed/harmed in the blast zone can safely be declared Hamas. /s permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (8 replies)
[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 29 points 2 years ago Who said anything about doing it slightly less? I haven't heard that from the Israelis. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) He was the mastermind behind the Oct. 7th attack. The world is a better place without him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (5 children) Nobody's arguing that. His death being good and the continued eradication of the Palestinian people by the IDF and Israeli state can coexist. To be perfectly clear, since this is the internet and people can't seem to have two concepts in their minds at once: The genocide of the Palestinian people needs to stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) [–] IAmNotACat@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but the masterminds behind levelling Gaza are still at large. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (5 children) Nobody's arguing that. His death being good and the continued eradication of the Palestinian people by the IDF and Israeli state can coexist. To be perfectly clear, since this is the internet and people can't seem to have two concepts in their minds at once: The genocide of the Palestinian people needs to stop. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies)
[–] IAmNotACat@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but the masterminds behind levelling Gaza are still at large. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago Bold assumption to claim it will get less intense. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) I am probably out of the loop but how does one go about Identifying a Palestinian without shooting everyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] catloaf@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Point your Tavor at them. If they run, they're Hamas. If they don't, they're well-disciplined Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Well I guess I am a Palestinian because if someone pointed a gun at me I would run. permalink fedilink source parent [–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think IDF also uses option B - explosives. Also very effective, since the only ones who get harmed by IDF weapons are Hamas, so everyone killed/harmed in the blast zone can safely be declared Hamas. /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Point your Tavor at them. If they run, they're Hamas. If they don't, they're well-disciplined Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Well I guess I am a Palestinian because if someone pointed a gun at me I would run. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Don_Dickle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Well I guess I am a Palestinian because if someone pointed a gun at me I would run. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I think IDF also uses option B - explosives. Also very effective, since the only ones who get harmed by IDF weapons are Hamas, so everyone killed/harmed in the blast zone can safely be declared Hamas. /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not while Netanyahu remains in power, he has no incentive to end this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago Neither does Israel in general, nor the US backing them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Netanyahu is indeed a problematic figure who take these situations into his advantage, maybe another would be better to make peace. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It’s the only way. The problem is that if he called an election tomorrow he would stand a good chance of winning it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago Neither does Israel in general, nor the US backing them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] speaker_hat@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Netanyahu is indeed a problematic figure who take these situations into his advantage, maybe another would be better to make peace. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It’s the only way. The problem is that if he called an election tomorrow he would stand a good chance of winning it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It’s the only way. The problem is that if he called an election tomorrow he would stand a good chance of winning it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Hamas was created as a reaction to Israel oppressing Palestinians. The resistance will continue until the oppressors stop oppressing them. Sinwar was not a charismatic guy who brainwashed everyone into attacking Israel. Israel oppressed Palestinians into violent resistance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago 100%, everyone thinking Palestinians were duped by Sinwar into striking back at Israel has no knowledge of the history of Israel as a Settler-Colonial project. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago 100%, everyone thinking Palestinians were duped by Sinwar into striking back at Israel has no knowledge of the history of Israel as a Settler-Colonial project. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 28 points 2 years ago (12 children) As an Irish person, you can't end terrorism with violence. You just create martyrs to a cause, a cause which looks more and more legitimate the more civilians suffer and die because of said violence. "Kill the rebels" every 20 years did nothing for peace on Ireland for 800 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Stop making violence the only thing you'll react to in any way? Or indeed, stop responding to peaceful resistance with violence (eg the civil rights marches in Northern Ireland). It might seem like Palestine has been a hopeless mire forever, but there was a point in the 90s where the last reasonable leaders of both sides were coming together for a peaceful solution. Hamas and the Israeli right wing - the "both sides" of today - were on the fringe. Then Yitzhak Rabin was killed by an Israeli right-winger, Israel inexplicably responded by killing a Hamas leader, Arab civilians were massacred at the Cave of Patriarchs by an American Israeli, and Hamas responded with more bombings, Yassar Arafat died under siege by the IDF, Hamas took control of Gaza, and well, here we are. The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin is probably as impactful to history of that of Archduke Ferdinand, but seems to be being forgotten. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rabin was murdered by a Likud fanatic with personal ties to Mossad. Israel disputes any involvement of Mossad. Before the murder, Likud and other fascists called for the murder of Rabin and depicted him as new Hitler. After the murder of Rabin Netanyahu took power. While there were supposed center or progressive governments in between Netanyahus reigns, they all continued the annexation of more Palestinian land to make a two state solution or any solution except ethnic cleansing and genocide impossible. It is important to understand that all of Israels society has been poisoned into various degrees of fascism over the past 30 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* At this point the Israelis have made the two state solution impossible because of their settling of the best lands of the West Bank in such a way that makes a contiguous truly independent Palestinian state impossible. So the only way forward is Democracy with safety and equal rights for all, Jews, Muslims, Christians, and others from the river to the sea. The Israeli right of the last 30 years has basically made it a choice between genocide and apartheid and the end of Zionism as we know it. So there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Help - provide food, housing, education. Stop dehumanizing people. Help them build a peaceful future. Everyone will benefit from that. But that would require actual good will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (11 replies)
[+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Stop making violence the only thing you'll react to in any way? Or indeed, stop responding to peaceful resistance with violence (eg the civil rights marches in Northern Ireland). It might seem like Palestine has been a hopeless mire forever, but there was a point in the 90s where the last reasonable leaders of both sides were coming together for a peaceful solution. Hamas and the Israeli right wing - the "both sides" of today - were on the fringe. Then Yitzhak Rabin was killed by an Israeli right-winger, Israel inexplicably responded by killing a Hamas leader, Arab civilians were massacred at the Cave of Patriarchs by an American Israeli, and Hamas responded with more bombings, Yassar Arafat died under siege by the IDF, Hamas took control of Gaza, and well, here we are. The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin is probably as impactful to history of that of Archduke Ferdinand, but seems to be being forgotten. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rabin was murdered by a Likud fanatic with personal ties to Mossad. Israel disputes any involvement of Mossad. Before the murder, Likud and other fascists called for the murder of Rabin and depicted him as new Hitler. After the murder of Rabin Netanyahu took power. While there were supposed center or progressive governments in between Netanyahus reigns, they all continued the annexation of more Palestinian land to make a two state solution or any solution except ethnic cleansing and genocide impossible. It is important to understand that all of Israels society has been poisoned into various degrees of fascism over the past 30 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* At this point the Israelis have made the two state solution impossible because of their settling of the best lands of the West Bank in such a way that makes a contiguous truly independent Palestinian state impossible. So the only way forward is Democracy with safety and equal rights for all, Jews, Muslims, Christians, and others from the river to the sea. The Israeli right of the last 30 years has basically made it a choice between genocide and apartheid and the end of Zionism as we know it. So there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Help - provide food, housing, education. Stop dehumanizing people. Help them build a peaceful future. Everyone will benefit from that. But that would require actual good will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies)
[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Stop making violence the only thing you'll react to in any way? Or indeed, stop responding to peaceful resistance with violence (eg the civil rights marches in Northern Ireland). It might seem like Palestine has been a hopeless mire forever, but there was a point in the 90s where the last reasonable leaders of both sides were coming together for a peaceful solution. Hamas and the Israeli right wing - the "both sides" of today - were on the fringe. Then Yitzhak Rabin was killed by an Israeli right-winger, Israel inexplicably responded by killing a Hamas leader, Arab civilians were massacred at the Cave of Patriarchs by an American Israeli, and Hamas responded with more bombings, Yassar Arafat died under siege by the IDF, Hamas took control of Gaza, and well, here we are. The assassination of Yitzhak Rabin is probably as impactful to history of that of Archduke Ferdinand, but seems to be being forgotten. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rabin was murdered by a Likud fanatic with personal ties to Mossad. Israel disputes any involvement of Mossad. Before the murder, Likud and other fascists called for the murder of Rabin and depicted him as new Hitler. After the murder of Rabin Netanyahu took power. While there were supposed center or progressive governments in between Netanyahus reigns, they all continued the annexation of more Palestinian land to make a two state solution or any solution except ethnic cleansing and genocide impossible. It is important to understand that all of Israels society has been poisoned into various degrees of fascism over the past 30 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rabin was murdered by a Likud fanatic with personal ties to Mossad. Israel disputes any involvement of Mossad. Before the murder, Likud and other fascists called for the murder of Rabin and depicted him as new Hitler. After the murder of Rabin Netanyahu took power. While there were supposed center or progressive governments in between Netanyahus reigns, they all continued the annexation of more Palestinian land to make a two state solution or any solution except ethnic cleansing and genocide impossible. It is important to understand that all of Israels society has been poisoned into various degrees of fascism over the past 30 years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* At this point the Israelis have made the two state solution impossible because of their settling of the best lands of the West Bank in such a way that makes a contiguous truly independent Palestinian state impossible. So the only way forward is Democracy with safety and equal rights for all, Jews, Muslims, Christians, and others from the river to the sea. The Israeli right of the last 30 years has basically made it a choice between genocide and apartheid and the end of Zionism as we know it. So there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (7 children) Help - provide food, housing, education. Stop dehumanizing people. Help them build a peaceful future. Everyone will benefit from that. But that would require actual good will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments load more comments (7 replies)
[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (5 children) the future that you speaking of called "west bank" where "Israeli occupier" put bounty on "indigenous Palestinian" homes for burning their cars or destroying their properties. Where the "Israeli occupier" open carry guns threatening or shooting "indigenous Palestinian" and if the "indigenous Palestinian" fight back in any form "since they don't have guns" they get into a military court, then prison, maybe without a charge, then get raped in prison, based on "Israeli sources" Pretending this not a case of apartheid genocidal military force is stupid considering the overwhelming evidence that you can find reading a few news article or maybe 5 minutes in Wikipedia. If you are bored maybe you can watch this episode of Anthony Bourdain "Palestine parts unknown" aired in 2013 and ask yourself if that the past and the current living condition what makes believe this will help in anyway! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_bVSRlaIjw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies)
[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Not really likely. With all these kids and the younger generation terrorised/traumatized by Israel, hopes for a lasting peace is dim. Imagine your home and loved ones being torn into pieces right in front of your eyes by Israel all because of a terrorist attack that you played no part in. Now multiply this by tens of thousands...They will go on to be members or leaders of whatever terrorist/resistance organization follows hamas. It's an endless cycle where only people on the very top take advantage off. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children) Nope, it will only intensify. Yahya Sinwar wasn't some evil mastermind manipulating and controlling the Palestinian people, they have been fighting an existential war against a genocidal entity that has been exterminating them for nearly a century. You can't get a ceasefire by killing someone beloved by the Palestinian people. You can hate Sinwar if you want and celebrate if you wish, but the Palestinian people are not celebrating right now, they are mourning. Historically, deaths of Hamas leaders have only hurt ceasefire talks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments load more comments (11 replies)
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably not the tens of thousands of murdered Palestinians. Homeless, without any future. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Edit: I apologize for my cynicism, but I struggle to be hopeful about the prospects of Israel making peace with its surroundings nations and occupied territories. permalink fedilink source parent