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Tesla braces for its first trial involving Autopilot fatality (www.reuters.com)
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Tesla braces for its first trial involving Autopilot fatality::Tesla Inc is set to defend itself for the first time at trial against allegations that failure of its Autopilot driver assistant feature led to death, in what will likely be a major test of Chief Executive Elon Musk's assertions about the technology.

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[–] 44 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The way musk marketed it was as a "self driving" feature, not a driving assist. Yes with all current smart assists you need to be carefully watching what it's doing, but that's not what it was made out to be. Because of that I'd still say tesla is responsible.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think you're referring to FSD beta and not Autopilot. One is supposed to be the self driving feature at some point while the other is simply lane keeping/cruise control. FSD wasn't even available when this crash happened.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No I was referring to autopilot, just look at the name of it. It's I know it's not capable of self driving (and neither is the even more absurd name of "full self driving") but to your average person it intentionally sounds as if the car is driving itself instead of it being a driving assist.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago

    No you were referring to what you think Tesla said about Autopilot and I pointed out that you were mistaken.

    I think it sounds like autopilot in a plane or ship, where it maintains course but still needs a pilot sitting at the controls. Regardless of what you think it is or isn't, it's your duty as a driver to understand the capabilities of the two ton machine that you're voluntarily operating.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Tesla's Autopilot is driving assistance. I don't know where you saw Musk marketing it as a self driving feature. Hell, even for the misnomer "full self driving" they note:

    The currently enabled features require a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The feature is called “Autopilot”, meaning that the car automatically pilots itself, rather than using a human pilot. The definition of autopilot is literally “a device for keeping an aircraft or other vehicle on a set course without the intervention of the pilot.” I’m not sure how he could have more explicitly misrepresented the product.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    meaning that the car automatically pilots itself, rather than using a human pilot

    No it doesn't. Even an airplane autopilot only maintain the course set by the pilot and it's not capable of making decisions and navigating autonomously.

    All technologies in publicly sold vehicles today and in recent years are of driving assistance and require driver's attention. Anybody using the tech without paying attention is being negligent.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Autopilot is capable of navigating though, and it does make decisions like when to merge and when to execute a turn, by design. I don’t think it’s adequately equipped to make those decisions, but by design, it does. They even advertise it on their official YouTube channel, with a clip of them just plugging in a destination and letting the car get them there in their video. Tesla is responsible for advertising they do, and claims they make of their product that simply aren’t true.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    This is FSD, not autopilot. Also note the driver is paying attention.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    It is two different modes of the same system, one just has more features enabled than the other. You also can’t tell if the driver is paying attention, as they are mostly out of frame. Even if they are, their hands are entirely off the wheel, and it’s unlikely that they would be able to react in time to prevent an accident even if they are paying attention.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Autopilot is cable of basically ying the plane itself. A human is there for when shit goes wrong.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Like if another plane is nearby? It's not exactly just "shit going wrong." Autopilot doesn't follow TCAS or ATC commands for instance.

    So to be similar, driver autopilot only needs to work while there are no other cars that might be in your path. Which is why we've had some degree of plane autopilot for nearly a century and are just starting to get some degree of car autopilot--the assumption that no cars might be in your path is pretty much always false.

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