▲ 658 ▼ Lemmy probably feels like Reddit when it first started, all warm cuddly and friendly to newcomers eager to discuss and collaborate around central topics. (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by kucuva@lemmy.world to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world 340 comments fedilink hide all child comments I joined reddit on the tailwind, so it was all echo chamber, we hate newcomers, gatekeeping, automod frenzy, too many rulebreakers, too many rules, etc I could be wrong, but thats what I imagine it used to be like.
[+] TheSparrowPrince@lemmy.world 108 points 2 years ago (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago (1 child) A major difference being that the fediverse won't get that "advertiser friendly" corporate sanitization with how it's set up. It's nice not being advertised to or feeling like a product. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kachilde@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you underestimate the sheer fuckery of corporate advertisers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fsmacolyte@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I think the fundamental question is, as the Fediverse gets more popular, then how will servers get paid for? Here are some possibilities I see for how Fediverse hosting could work at scale: Surviving off donations alone: Possible but in my estimation unlikely, and it could veer into the territory of big donors having a controlling stake or exerting their interests. Instances limiting number of users to what they can afford: This would require the network of instances process to really work well. Big instances selling advertisements: Without oversight or moral commitment, this could easily go towards creepy personal data collection. Crowdsourcing the costs: This would require transparency and fundraising or some other model Hosts financing the operation in other ways: This could also easily get into creepy data collection practices or other dark patterns. I hope we come up with some process or plan for avoiding the pitfalls and forging an honest and community-integrating way forward. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wahming@monyet.cc 15 points 2 years ago Aka eternal September permalink fedilink source parent [–] MTLion3@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah yes, the common addition that ruins pretty much every equation. People. People suck 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago The only solution is to make your own private instance and never allow anyone to join. Perfection at last… Oh, wait there’s still one human ruining the atmosphere. Not to worry, there’s a quick fix for that. You just need to ban yourself and then the instance will be completely perfect forever. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago I think the next good solution to delay the march of normalcy is stronger community bias / branding. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Agent_of_Kayos@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Especially when the public gets to be anonymous. Then they believe they can do and say whatever they want to, no matter how shitty permalink fedilink source parent
[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago (1 child) A major difference being that the fediverse won't get that "advertiser friendly" corporate sanitization with how it's set up. It's nice not being advertised to or feeling like a product. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kachilde@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you underestimate the sheer fuckery of corporate advertisers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fsmacolyte@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I think the fundamental question is, as the Fediverse gets more popular, then how will servers get paid for? Here are some possibilities I see for how Fediverse hosting could work at scale: Surviving off donations alone: Possible but in my estimation unlikely, and it could veer into the territory of big donors having a controlling stake or exerting their interests. Instances limiting number of users to what they can afford: This would require the network of instances process to really work well. Big instances selling advertisements: Without oversight or moral commitment, this could easily go towards creepy personal data collection. Crowdsourcing the costs: This would require transparency and fundraising or some other model Hosts financing the operation in other ways: This could also easily get into creepy data collection practices or other dark patterns. I hope we come up with some process or plan for avoiding the pitfalls and forging an honest and community-integrating way forward. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kachilde@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (1 child) I think you underestimate the sheer fuckery of corporate advertisers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fsmacolyte@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I think the fundamental question is, as the Fediverse gets more popular, then how will servers get paid for? Here are some possibilities I see for how Fediverse hosting could work at scale: Surviving off donations alone: Possible but in my estimation unlikely, and it could veer into the territory of big donors having a controlling stake or exerting their interests. Instances limiting number of users to what they can afford: This would require the network of instances process to really work well. Big instances selling advertisements: Without oversight or moral commitment, this could easily go towards creepy personal data collection. Crowdsourcing the costs: This would require transparency and fundraising or some other model Hosts financing the operation in other ways: This could also easily get into creepy data collection practices or other dark patterns. I hope we come up with some process or plan for avoiding the pitfalls and forging an honest and community-integrating way forward. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fsmacolyte@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I think the fundamental question is, as the Fediverse gets more popular, then how will servers get paid for? Here are some possibilities I see for how Fediverse hosting could work at scale: Surviving off donations alone: Possible but in my estimation unlikely, and it could veer into the territory of big donors having a controlling stake or exerting their interests. Instances limiting number of users to what they can afford: This would require the network of instances process to really work well. Big instances selling advertisements: Without oversight or moral commitment, this could easily go towards creepy personal data collection. Crowdsourcing the costs: This would require transparency and fundraising or some other model Hosts financing the operation in other ways: This could also easily get into creepy data collection practices or other dark patterns. I hope we come up with some process or plan for avoiding the pitfalls and forging an honest and community-integrating way forward. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MTLion3@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ah yes, the common addition that ruins pretty much every equation. People. People suck 😂 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago The only solution is to make your own private instance and never allow anyone to join. Perfection at last… Oh, wait there’s still one human ruining the atmosphere. Not to worry, there’s a quick fix for that. You just need to ban yourself and then the instance will be completely perfect forever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago The only solution is to make your own private instance and never allow anyone to join. Perfection at last… Oh, wait there’s still one human ruining the atmosphere. Not to worry, there’s a quick fix for that. You just need to ban yourself and then the instance will be completely perfect forever. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago I think the next good solution to delay the march of normalcy is stronger community bias / branding. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Agent_of_Kayos@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Especially when the public gets to be anonymous. Then they believe they can do and say whatever they want to, no matter how shitty permalink fedilink source parent