sevenapples comments on Xinjiang vs USA subway

[–] sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 3 years ago (1 child)

it’s not like you can just close down a station

It’s pretty much like that, then like someone else said you provide a bus route between the two stations. It's an inconvenience but has to happen at some time.

For smaller repairs like painting you an paint half of the station while keeping the other half operational, then finish the job some days later.

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[+] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml -7 points 3 years ago (3 children)

It sounds very easy on paper, but that suggestion is just horrifically infeasible. It’s not that it’s an inconvenience, it’s just much more complicated and logistically impossible then how you’re portraying it.

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[–] sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 3 years ago

If you're talking about the bus route then you just don't know what you're talking about. Like others have said it already happens in Moscow and DC, and I can add my own experience with Athens.

Obviously if they want to do repairs or maintenance they don't close one station, they close part of the line and replace it with an express bus line. Yes it's slower and will make traffic worse but it simply must happen at some time.

Going by your logic, creating a subway system in a city with traffic issues is a "lose lose" because the roadworks will make traffic worse for a couple of years.

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[–] duderium@hexbear.net 20 points 3 years ago (1 child)

If everything good is impossible, maybe the USA should just cease to exist? Why is it that China can achieve so much so quickly when the USA hasn't achieved anything remotely positive since the fucking moon landing?

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[+] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml -7 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

Because that is building a station in an area that did not previously have that form of transportation, and thus does not have a massive quantity of people that rely on it for daily survival?

What a fucking bizarre train of thought. Literally toddler logic, “Waaaah, the fix isn’t simple and easy so it might as well cease to be! Fuck all the working people that make up the population! Here’s an asinine reason why they all deserve to be thrown in the garbage!”

Also really? I despise the US too, and it’s leadership has been a force of immense evil, but you can’t think of a single positive thing someone in the US has done, or a single positive thing that has happened in the US in the past 50 years? Not a single thing?

Also why has China been able to accomplish so much? Their systems of organization. That’s it. The end. What else do you want to know?

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[–] duderium@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Also really? I despise the US too, and it’s leadership has been a force of immense evil, but you can’t think of a single positive thing someone in the US has done, or a single positive thing that has happened in the US in the past 50 years? Not a single thing?

It's like trying to find the good in apartheid South Africa. Something positive must be there (the music), but overall, it's not good.

Their systems of organization.

We should adopt this here. Other countries with relatively old metro lines (South Korea's oldest was built in 1974, China's oldest is three years older) have a shitload of people using them but also ways to repair and upgrade things (already discussed by others in this thread) without too much inconvenience. NYC doesn't upgrade its subway because it's run by shitlibs who are owned by the bourgeoisie, who lose money when society is even remotely functional.

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[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

I agree wholeheartedly, about the adoption, but those types of upgrades and repairs happen quickly and with minimal invasiveness as to not cause disruption. I was arguing against the wholesale shutting down of stations to run repairs and leave tens of thousands completely stuck and screwed over.

It’s like trying to find the good in apartheid South Africa. Something positive must be there (the music), but overall, it’s not good.

I disagree completely. Plus that's extremely vague, "Overall its not good". Ok and? Your solution was to abandon everything, so you don't seem like the best arbiter to make judgements like that. Also, that's still extremely dismissive and asinine. Discoveries, inventions, systems, and events in the US have completely reshaped several aspects of the world over the past 50 years for better of for worse. To try and associate that to a positive like South African music is bizarre. I'm sure South African music has had an equal effect on the world as the smartphone did, the literal internet, a long list of medical discoveries and drugs, breakthroughs and innovation across multiple sectors and so on.

How was that done? On the backs of workers who created and developed everything on the enormous list of accomplishments in the past 50 years. Does this mean the US is amazing? No. The system and leadership is still rotten to the core. But to say "Oops, can't think of a single thing", is extremely bad faith arguing.

Do you really think the working class of the US has not done anything? The list of negatives we associate with the US all come from it's system and leadership up above in some respect, not down below.

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[–] kurausu@ursal.zone 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

@ComradeSalad @sevenapples Tokyoite here. "Logistically Impossible" my ass - Shibuya station was completely renovated just a few years ago. They just opened a brand new station in the Yamanote Line. Old stations are repaired and upgraded all the time here.

The US simply does not care about public transit, and Americans invent all kinds of excuses to avoid facing the fact of local incompetence and lack of political will.

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[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml -3 points 3 years ago

I’m not making excuses. I mean currently with the resources and systems available, it is not possible.

You’re right, the government does not care about public transit.

Do you think this is a group decision or something?

“Local incompetence? Lack of political will? Fuck off, I'm sure the people working 50 hours a week and poverty wage jobs are absolutely roaring with energy to fight for public transit.

Imagine blaming the people.

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