288
Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane? (lemm.ee)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
829 comments fedilink hide all child comments
 

I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don't actually think everyone there is insane. I don't care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It's not going to scare me to take this down

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Why does everyone there unequivocally, wholeheartedly, unquestionably support Russia?

You may not like this, but the simple answer is they don't.

Russia has barely a trace of communism anymore and it is hard right oligarchy that fits almost every definition of fascism. Not to mention HEAVILY racist and anti-LGBTQ (I have multiple friends who were from Russia and they were the ones who originally told me that before I saw it for myself in Russia)

Correct. Hexbear critically supports the role Russia plays as an anti-NATO country, and ally to the PRC, who Communists do support.

Communists in general see Western Hegemony as the international proletariat's largest enemy, as the Global North hyper-exploits the Global South. Michael Parenti explains brilliantly in this short, 2 minute clip. Overall, Communists agree with Lenin's analysis in Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism, and agree that it remains the number 1 enemy of the international proletariat.

NATO is the military alliance of the largest Imperialist exploiters of the Global South, and therefore weakening NATO Hegemony is a good thing. The Nationalist, far-right Russian Bourgeoisie fights against this, because they were not allowed to join the club after the fall of the USSR like they had hoped!

Hope that helps.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Then what about when they constantly refer to the rhetoric as "truth" how Ukraine was full of Nazis that were genociding the Russian minority and how Russia invaded to save them and has committed exactly 0 war crimes?

    I completely get that the US is not a good guy, most of western civilization was built on exploitation, imperialism, and subjugation of people. I even understand the great things China has done as far as huge quality of life upgrades for their people.

    But Russia is only similar to china in that they propagate huge anti-US propaganda and technically support each other as an anti-US coalition.

    Russia is also extremely imperialist, always has been, and literally has annexed (or tried to) multiple nations in the past decades, and is currently trying to do the same. Russia is everything that hexbear stands against, yet they unequivocally support them without any doubt.

    Go say literally any critical things of Russia in hexbear. You will 100% be down voted to oblivion, if not banned. If you say anything against Putin being the greatest leader in recent history, you will be down voted to hell if not banned. I have yet to see any critical speech of Russia on hexbear that didn't get removed or down voted so hard that the comment will never see the light of day.

    I understand being Anti-US, but if Russia was in the US's position, they would be just as bad if not worse for the treatment of people and propagating imperialism. Then to censor people about it... I can scream on other instances about how stupid the US is until I pass out and I wouldn't get banned. That is TruthSocial/theDonald/Twitter territory.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I'm sorry, but again, this is a gross mischaracterization. Please actually read the links I sent, you don't need to read the Imperialism text but at least go through the thread I linked and the Parenti speech.

    I have been critical of the Russian Federation and Putin especially on Hexbear, and have been highly upvoted for it. Hexbear's position on Russia is nuanced, ask them to explain it and you'll get explanations.

    I understand being Anti-US, but if Russia was in the US's position, they would be just as bad if not worse for the treatment of people and propagating imperialism.

    This is 100% correct, the thing is, nobody but the US is in the US's position. Russia is acting in the manner they are because they aren't.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    https://hexbear.net/post/3025711

    https://hexbear.net/post/3379624

    https://hexbear.net/comment/5253718 top comment, massively upvoted

    https://hexbear.net/post/3232536 - more "all Ukrainians are Nazi rhetoric"

    https://hexbear.net/comment/4594619 - more "the war is just a local conflict with everyone on Russia's side" propaganda that is heavily upvoted. Objectively false. There is way way more nuance than that.

    https://hexbear.net/post/3394475 - Russia never does anything wrong. It is just Americans who of course blame it on Russia

    https://hexbear.net/comment/5113469 - Russia never does anything wrong. It is actually a conspiracy that Americans did it

    https://hexbear.net/comment/5084604 - Russia can do no wrong. Russia is destined to win and take the lands they want to annex

    https://hexbear.net/comment/5084494 - yet more Ukraine genocide rhetoric, straight from Russian propaganda

    https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4112194 - literally regurgitating unsubstantiated Russian propaganda. Literally one person saying "if you just blindly believed Russian propaganda 100% of the time, you would be right 70% of the time"

    https://hexbear.net/post/2763869 - "Russia is extremely generous with these terms", they only have to give up their land to glorious leader of Russia

    imperialism /ĭm-pîr′ē-ə-lĭz″əm/ noun

    • The extension of a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political dominance over other nations.

    • A political doctrine or system promoting such extension of authority.

    • The power or character of an emperor; imperial authority; the spirit of empire.

    Literally exactly the definition of Putin's post-socialism authoritarian Russia....

    Like "the enemy of my enemy" can only take you so far. Like when Putin blatantly poisoned a political opponent and everyone on hexbear was cheering them and saying "I'm surprised it took them this long"... Supporting a murderous regime because they happen to be against an exploitative corrupt regime doesn't even seem like a valid solution to me.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent
  • hideshow 2 child comments
    •
  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Again, you are not reading the links, nor are you interested in engaging in good faith. As an example:

    https://hexbear.net/post/3232536 - more "all Ukrainians are Nazi rhetoric"

    The comment was mocking the "no Ukranians are Nazis" rhetoric on a video of Ukranian soldiers with Nazi symbols on their helmets harassing an elderly Russian man. You aren't interested in truth, but debate-broing.

    As for your definition of Imperialism, I quite specifically linked Lenin's work on Imperialism as a stage of Capitalism, not merely invasion, yet you obscure that and push the dictionary definiton, again as a measure of bad-faith. Marxists specifically refer to international Monopoly Capitalism as Imperialism, something the Parenti video I linked you touches on well enough to give you a sufficient taste of Lenin's Imperialism so you don't have to read the book for this conversation, yet you twist words and pretend Hexbear is operating on a double standard by using the dictionary definition against a forum of Marxists using Lenin's definition!

    It's peak dishonesty, your other links are similarly dishonest readings out of context, hoping people won't actually click the link and see what they really said.

    If you aren't going to engage honestly, you need to logout and touch grass.

  • permalink
  • fedilink
  • source
  • parent