I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don't actually think everyone there is insane. I don't care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It's not going to scare me to take this down

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[–] 191 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Thank god for hexbear and lemmygrad though. Imagine the effort needed to block them all individually if spread over all the other instances.

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    [–] 141 points 2 years ago (110 children)

    If you've heard of Chapo Trap House that's them. If not, most of those kids/idiots/trolls are the type of terminally online fake leftists that give other leftist a bad image in general. They were so ridiculous Reddit got tired of their shit and banned them a couple years back.

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    [–] 95 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    is everyone in hexbear insane?

    Yes.

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    [–] 91 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Hexbear is sort of like a village of eldritch abomination worshippers in a Lovecraftian horror story - isolated, insular, entirely wrapped up in their own esoteric rituals and ideas and language, and immediately and collectively hostile to outsiders.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    This is the most reasonable response.

    A lot of people here have long since made up their mind about hexbear based both on repeated meta posting on the topic and possibly a bad experience or two with them on a topic they assumed was uncontested but is a landmine topic for communists of a particular bent

    I've personally never had a bad experience with hexbears, possibly because I'm more empathetic to their perspective, but more likely because I know when it's time to disengage. There are users on lemmy who feel strongly about a certain topic that's abrasive to hexbear users and dig in their heels when jeered at (or maybe feel a personal responsibility to stand them down) and are usually the users here who have the most complaints, because the standard reaction from hexbear users is irreverence (both the users and the mods).

    Unlike a lot of liberals coming from reddit, communists often don't have delusions about the neutrality of moderation and so they'll ban you on a whim if they think you're there to stir shit. They use the ban hammer judiciously even with users on their own instance. That's often the biggest complaint both with hexbear and with lemmy.ml.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Thank you for saying this in a more detailed way than I have been. This is exactly right. They built their own leftist haven and became a whole culture of their own, and then became federated. There is bound to be an initial clash, but honestly I think most of the people who hate on them never gave them a chance. All they saw were the shitposts and the in-jokes and you closed the door.

    When it comes to dealing with HB users here, my advice is the exact same as dealing with other users

    • if you don't like what someone is saying (because it's idiotic, obstrusive, or whatever), block the person for some peace of mind.

    • if you're consistently uninterested on the content coming from an instance, block the instance.

    I see a lot of leftists (and leaning leftists), even on .world, who would be better off interacting with the users there (maybe blocking the shitposting comms). And outside of those most-seen comms (chapotraphouse and dunk_tank), there is genuine conversation and less shit talking and in-jokes. I believe, with more instances coming in that are federated with them (mine, .ml, and lem.ee? are a couple), some of the Hex-natives are understanding how to interact with curious left-leaning people with unintentionally wrong-headed ideas.

    Downvote me all you want, I stand by Hexbear. o7

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    [–] 73 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Lmao, they sure are insane. But if you listen closely they will tell you that sanity is a western psyop and you should enjoy the simple truths of life, like shitting in your own pants and bragging about it online.

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    [–] 57 points 2 years ago (28 children)

    I'm on lemmynsfw because I like to argue about how shitty society is between wanks

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago (47 children)

    Many of them, yes. They're among the most radical of the leftist instances, which means that they attract a lot of propagandists and tankies. They have some perfectly reasonable people too, but you know, vocal minority. Its the main thing most people notice about those instances.

    Many people block hexbear, Lemmy.ml, and lemmygrad for these reasons.

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    [–] 47 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    You are correct. Do your mental health a favour and block that instance along with lemmygrad.

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago (65 children)

    Do you have any examples of this? Since world is defederated from that instance, I only end up visiting it when people like you come in and talk about how absolutely crazy it is over there, so occasionally I'll take a curious peek. This time I see... a post about Indigenous rights, a post criticizing capitalism, a post dunking on musk, a post about FOSS... when do I start seeing the crazy?

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    [–] 41 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    idk, I've seen all the hype around hexbear users being obnoxious around Lemmy (including our own instance debating blocking the instance, followed by several of their members brigading the thread true to form)... but I've explored the communities on the instance itself and even subscribed to some of them like mutual aid, gaming etc, and those that I'm watching are actually just normal people doing normal things if more left than some other similar groups. In my experience it isn't "all" hexbear users, because that would be a dumb generalization.

    There are some assholes on that instance to be sure. Show me one that this isn't true of. I'm glad our instance didn't block them because I now get to decide for myself. I block communities and/or users if they're a problem for me. I think that's a good way.

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    [–] 39 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Obviously you can't lump them all into one category, but the majority of them seem to be willing to cause chaos on other instances for a laugh. Doesn't sit right with me, so i blocked them

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    [–] 38 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

    To be clear, this is coming from you getting banned for being a debate-pervert after you claimed Putin invaded Ukraine to "reinstate the USSR" as a secret Commie and refused to take a pro-Palestinian stance, equating Palestinian resistance with a century of settler-colonial genocide.

    I think it's a bit terminally online to run away to a defederated instance to lick your wounds, rather than reflect on why being a debatebro is unhealthy.

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    [–] 33 points 2 years ago (23 children)

    I don't mind communism. I do mind advocating for Russia, in a war where they are clearly the aggressor, and harassing then moving to harass the same left wing for not being as radical or as pro-russian and deluding themselves with false beliefs that they are alone and no one is left wing other than them

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    [–] 31 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Not really. They have a lot of bits and in-jokes which are going to seem incomprehensible to anyone from the outside, but most of them are pretty chill if you engage in good faith. It's like a lot of tech communities; if you don't do your research and ask intelligent questions, you're likely to get told to RTFM.

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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

    "HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point"

    Without taking any sides, saying some group is insane and then saying that them lashing back "proves your point" is beyond stupid.

    Like, of course they will, what else do you expect them to do? Sit and politely agree?

    We should stop with this kind of BS in any sort of debate. Groups will protect themselves, and will not get polite to those who throw slurs at them; that's natural, normal and speaks nothing about their average behavior.

    This never proves any point and is nothing but a dirty rhetorical device aimed to shut your opposition up and make them seem irrelevant. This is not part of any possible healthy conversation.

    Also, post is not a genuine question.

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (17 children)

    Damn it's nice to see the comments are surprisingly evenly split between hating on it and actually being reasonable. Quite a difference from when redditors first moved in here last year.

    I guess the more people talk about it, the more people actually visit it for themselves and form their own opinions.

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    I was bullied for off Lemmy.One by the hexbear mods who sent hexbear users my way to harass me...

    All for (while I'm still a raging communist) not being a pro authoritarian communist.

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    [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    Last I checked there was an instance rule preventing the posting of pictures of cheese without a trigger warning.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I was going to block them and lemmygrad at first but decided not to and instead tried to understand what all these people were about.

    Now I'm a communist, have a hammer and sickle, live in China, and my favorite color is red. Death to America comrades! Get fucked libs /s

    Seriously though, they're not anymore insane than us. Maybe just a bunch of drunken commies at a bar who don't really bother to distance themselves from the subjects of a century of red scare propaganda. In any case, it's worth keeping an open mind and engaging in good faith.

    Though as leftist as I personally am and have become in time, I'm not going to call anyone comrade or start using hammer and sickle imagery except in the context of history lol. Libs can still get fucked though.

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