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Ukrainian drones now spray 4,000° F thermite streams right into Russian trenches (arstechnica.com)
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[–] 77 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I take no delight in killing but Russian forces could leave Ukraine at any point and put an end to it.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Can the individual soldiers just give up and leave?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    The russian soldiers are in an awful predicament in this war. But they are still the aggressors and Ukraine has the right (obligation even, seeing what Russia tends to do to civilian population it conquers) to defend itself against them..and as awful as these weapons are, they have not been used in an illegal way here according to international law (something that Russia doesn't give a flying fuck about, btw.).
    Personally, I don't see a moral issue here though I of course would prefer if noone had to die of which only happens in the case of Putin withdrawing his troops right now.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The vast majority of them could simply not have volunteered. Also, you can surrender.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Implying many of them are volunteers at all

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Actually one of the few political pressures Putin has had to deal with internally has been preventing conscripts from fighting outside of Russian territory, which has included not sending them into the supposedly-annexed oblasts in the east. They've had to make do with massive signing bonuses, prison recruitment, stop loss, and PMCs to make up the manpower shortage. Definitely some high-pressure tactics in use, but no actual use of legal force. Unless this video was taken on the Kursk front then any Russian soldiers who this was targeting had signed contracts that they could have chosen not to.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    He can surrender, like many already did.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Maybe, but I've seen plenty of videos of Russians attempting to surrender to drones, and getting killed anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I have some questions you might ask yourself:

    What is the count of those vs. the number of surrendered Russians being treated well?

    Which one is more likely to be in the news?

    Which one is more likely to be spread around by Russian bots?

    Which will be more likely to be suppressed?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    What is the count of those vs. the number of surrendered Russians being treated well?

    There is no credible data.

    Which one is more likely to be in the news?

    Neither, I live in America, the news only intentionally covers Russian war crimes. I say intentionally, since I remember a CNN segment near the start of the invasion where armed Ukrainian soldiers jumped out of an ambulance in the background.

    The opposite would probably be true if I lived in Russia.

    Which one is more likely to be spread around by Russian bots?

    I assume it's not Russian bots posting Ukrainian drone footage to the combat footage sub.

    Which will be more likely to be suppressed?

    Well I haven't seen any news covering Ukrainian war crimes and I've seen plenty of news covering Russian war crimes, and I know it's not because Ukraine isn't doing any war crimes.

    The reverse would probably be true for someone living in Russia.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    Well, they can surrender.

    Not all of them all the time, but a lot of them are smart enough to do something "dumb" like drive to a Ukrainian village to ask for directions and "get taken as pows".

    So yeah, yes and no, as the answer to your question.

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