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[–] 85 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Isn't this something that the fediverse was explicitly designed to support?
We're making fun of them for making use of one of the foundational features of the platform?

If they don't like it there, they can move again. And again. Or host their own instance.

Idk what this creepy vicarious butthurt is about, or why it has become so popular.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Circle jerking against vegans is a pasttime of the Internet denizens

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but it's a pretty pathetic passtime. At least find a good reason, rather than doing literally the thing you want them to do.

    Like, insulting them for leaving is just as bad as them crying that their toxic behavior scares people away. It makes no sense.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I mean this kind of a perfect example of doing the thing where you blow shit up over an extremely pedantic issue which is at best tangentially related to the core ethic, specifically because you view nuance itself as a threat. As far as purity tests dissolving into self parody, I'm not sure there's a better example for veganism.

    And I say this as a person who otherwise sympathizes with vegans, but often finds them insufferable. Self awareness is the vaccine to self parody.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Do you just not believe vegan cats exist?

    https://news.uoguelph.ca/2021/03/u-of-g-researchers-first-to-study-health-effects-of-vegan-diets-on-cats/

    Supposedly they'd die right? Not live long healthy lives? Or live longer than cats on a standard diet?

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    Pretty much, yeah. And I'm not convinced by your news article either as the study described relies on the reporting of pet-owners. Vegan cat owners forcing such a diet on their pet aren't exactly people I trust to be 100% honest about the wellness of said cat.

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  • [+] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If they choose to migrate to another instance, it will likely be a more extremist instance with poor moderation that has been significantly defederated.

    In theory this is how it should work, but in practice the toxic people tend to move to general purpose more laissez-faire places like .world or .ml, which makes de-federating and cutting off 30% of all users a difficult decision for anyone trying to have a community.

    The answer is less centralization, but that can't be forced. beehaw.org (for example) made the decision to cut off .world and they are better for it. But they are a large-ish instance in their own right.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    So if you dont agree with someone they are an extremist, got it.

    You are aware vegan cats exist right? Like its already a thing, and its being studied.

    https://news.uoguelph.ca/2021/03/u-of-g-researchers-first-to-study-health-effects-of-vegan-diets-on-cats/

    Y'all are so confidently wrong about stuff its crazy, and then y'all pat yourselves in the back for all grouping up and agreeing together.

    Just because a lot of people are on one side of a position does not make it the right position, you must be aware there is more to think about right?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I didn't say extremist I said toxic but really anyone who's poorly socialized will go where they're allowed, which in Lemmy terms means general catch-all instances with loose moderation like .world and .ml.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    One study estimated 1% of cat owners feed their cat a vegan diet. Why do you think that might be? Are they all extremist animal abusers? Or is it possible you had an assumption that turned out to be wrong and now don't know how to reconcile?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sure you can ally yourself with the CCP and that might be totally legal (if they collect any personal data and send it overseas to China then that would be breaking the law but it's unlikely) but that doesn't mean it isn't frowned upon.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's a stretch, but even assuming it's true, why do you care enough about their community to frown upon it?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I have opinions on a lot of things that don't effect me at all. Palestinian genocide, Uighurs in sweatshops, child labor laws in other states, homeless people being harassed, the socioeconomic shift of Hong Kong losing independent legal rights.

    I can respect their freedom to ally themselves to people who wish them direct harm, but I also have the freedom to express my disappointment in them.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago

    Yes and no. The theory is that each instance is supposed to be more specialized, kind of like the old BBS that used to be rampant on the internet. If you are moving to an instance just because people disagree with you instead to have more discussion over a specific topic that is not really in line with the purpose of the fediverse.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's just disguised metadrama. They joined the instances this instance doesn't like.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    And so they're moving, and somehow y'all are... Upset about it???? Make it make sense

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don't see anyone upset about it.
    Making fun of them, yes. But not upset.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Making fun of them for doing what you want?
    Or do you want them to stay?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    How do you come to either of those conclusions?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They're leaving.
    Y'all are making fun of them for leaving.

    If you want them to leave, as people often told them to do, why are you making fun of them for it? Why do you care where they go?

    If you don't want them to leave, why are you being mean to them?

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  • [+] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Treating vegans like the enemy because you do not understand them. Why is it so hard to critically think about why the vegans are so committed to their cause?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nobody but toxic people like other toxic people. You're not above anyone, you're just toxic.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I do not harm animals if that’s toxic to you then let’s part our ways.

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    I didn't want to moderate the lemmyworld community anymore and I was planning to delete the vegancanada one anyways. But you will claim I'm making excuses, so lets agree to disagree.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Yes. Let's ignore all of the other toxic bullshit on that list lol.

    How many other comms are you going to be banned from? Only one to go for a 20 count!

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The other times I got banned was because I called out one the developers of Lemmy Nutomic for being transphobic when they used the term "biological men" and the Dubvee instance regularly bans leftists for being "too extremist"

    If you curious about the situation, here is the post.

    Dubvee Instance modlogs

    But I'm toxic, so you shouldn't listen to me.

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