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Is Telegram really an encrypted messaging app? (blog.cryptographyengineering.com)
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[–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It’s three clicks. And it opens a separate chat from the existing one. It’s obscure enough that you could say the UX deprioritizes (which at best is not an actively malicious design choice) usage of end-to-end encryption.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It’s three clicks.

    So it's only three clicks, ergo easy.

    And it opens a separate chat from the existing one.

    I don't see the problem. The secret one has the lock icon to clearly mark it. There's no way one would accidentally pick the wrong chat. Delete the old, unencrypted one to be sure.

    It’s obscure enough that you could say the UX deprioritizes (which at best is not an actively malicious design choice) usage of end-to-end encryption.

    I agreed in another comment that there should be an "encrypted by default" option somewhere. I'm not claiming that it's perfect but the claim in the blog that it's super complicated is just not true. At least calls are P2P-encrypted by default.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ah good point, gotta delete the old unencrypted chat too to avoid confusion. That’s definitely more than just 3 clicks.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    Yeah I mean if you started one. If you went in with a secret chat in the first place then it wouldn't be an issue. And so it's one extra click vs. starting a normal chat. I hope it hasn't inconvenienced you more than it's taken for all these replies.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you’re talking to 30 people, it’s 90 clicks. It might be 3 clicks if you know where to look, but end of the day, even if you know where to find it, that’s still that many clicks times how many people you chat with. It’s not ideal. I wouldn’t say it’s complicated sure, but it’s not easy.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you’re talking to 30 people, it’s 90 clicks.

    Uh, so? A "compose message" button is the approach many communication apps use, including e-mail. Don't get me started how many clicks it is to GPG-encrypt e-mails...

    It’s not ideal.

    I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself that I agree on that part. You act as I would disagree. I don't. It could be better but it's also not a complicated nightmare as the blog author makes it out to be.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Right. But it’s also not exactly “easy” which is what you’re saying it is.

    If easy was a sliding scale. Easy would be enabled by default. Hard would be making it obscure and hard to find. I would say it’s definitely closer to the harder to find side. But that’s just me. But 3 clicks, and having to switch chats and maybe delete the old one to avoid confusion, none of that is easy.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Right. But it’s also not exactly “easy” which is what you’re saying it is.

    I said it's as easy as tapping the compose button and selecting secret chat. I nowhere claimed that it's easier than that but it's also not more complicated than that.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It’s 100% not just two clicks. You make it sound easier than it really is. But there’s no way for a new or infrequent user to know where it is unless they explore a bit or even knew to look for it. It’s hidden away behind a hamburger menu.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    You make it sound easier than it really is.

    No, I gave a detailed tutorial how to initiate a secret chat and then explained that the procedure has to be done only once per contact. It's exactly as easy or complicated as I explained. Not more, not less.

    It’s hidden away behind a hamburger menu.

    No, it's not. Tap the pencil in the bottom right corner. That's how I explained it and that's how it's done. Hamburger menu is an additional way but the compose button is the pencil in the bottom right corner.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Maybe it’s different on Android or Desktop/Web. On iOS it’s more than 2 clicks. And it’s tucked away. It would be surprising to me if the UI is that inconsistent across different platforms. But I can’t know for sure. So I will defer to the subject matter experts on Telegram.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    On iOS, you tap the profile, then tap “more”, then tap “start secret chat”. So depending on whether navigating to the profile counts, it’s also three taps. I agree it could be more direct, and should be included in the “New message” menu accessible from the pencil-on-paper icon in the top right of the main screen. I’ve used telegram on many platforms and the UI is in fact quite different. The iOS and android apps are totally different with different features, as are the Mac app, cross platform desktop app, and various web apps.

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