▲ 631 ▼ The difference of stealing yourself vs being stolen from (lemm.ee) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by fer0n@lemm.ee to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world 249 comments fedilink hide all child comments First article | Second article
[–] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 300 points 2 years ago (5 children) Steve Jobs was the Elon Musk of his time, he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] OscarRobin@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago (7 children) Steve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SternburgExport@feddit.de 176 points 2 years ago (7 children) Nah Jobs didn't do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Restaldt@lemm.ee 31 points 2 years ago (15 children) So elon but a good businessman permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago Salesman permalink fedilink source parent [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) without the good, or the (hu)man(ity) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (3 children) There's no version of this reality where Jobs isn't a good businessman. You might not like the company or their products, but they've somehow managed to build a huge and successful business selling those overpriced toys to tons of people. They managed to create a cult around expensive consumer electronics. That is a massive success no matter how you slice it. And you can't deny that Jobs played a big part in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago The weird thing is that Apple without Jobs was a failure, but also Jobs without Apple was also a failure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it was just a gag for comic effect. it wasn't the breadth and depth of my thoughts and feelings of the digital and manufacturing epochs since the 1980s. But also, it was kind of begging the question of "is there such thing as a good business man?" There's good for /their/ business. But is that- in general - good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Also you can tie it directly to Jobs, because when he was gone for a bit, apple fuckin tanked, and then he came back and they came out with the iPod. That's not an accident. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (13 replies) [–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago Just like how Elon did not design his rockets, SpaceX engineers did, Steve did not design the iPhone, Apple engineers did. Also everyone seems to conveniently forget about the factory workers actually building them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Jobs insisted on removing the keypad from a smartphone. He didn't make the multitouch display, but he did force app developers to take it seriously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AssholeDestroyer@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago The iPhone didn't originally have apps other than basic ones that shipped with the phone, like Safari, YouTube, calculator, etc... People hacked the first gen to run things like an NES emulator. Apple promptly shut that down and introduced the app store. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I don't hate Jobs for that, but I despise almost every other fucking company panicking in order to copy that shit. Blackberry keyboards were great stuff in the early 2010s. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like he had a part in the first apple. Wozniac did the work but Jobs sold it. Selling and marketing are not easy and a different skill set. I'd be curious what Wozniac has to say about it though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago Not only Jobs managed to sell, he managed to sell way above cost. Apple became synonymous with premium features, even when it was clearly lagging behind the competition in terms of raw power (late 80's) or offering sub par experiences. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (3 children) What things did he do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] fred@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) He invented the rounded rectangle, all hail permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago There's also the flat mouse permalink fedilink source parent [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Jobs insisted on selling a touchscreen-only smartphone. Turns out, he was right on that one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] roboticide@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But like, he didn't design or build it himself. His company did. So by that logic he's still the same as Musk, who insisted on a mass-market EV car or reusable rockets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago His company did. It wasn't even his company, they stole the concept from another company. The home button also wasn't an apple original. The "sum of the parts" was the "original" thing permalink fedilink source parent [–] smackjack@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* He was also right about not supporting Flash on the iPhone. People wanted to crucify him for that, but better video and web standards came about because of it, and we're all better off living in a world without Flash. permalink fedilink source parent [–] instamat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago He was a world-class jump-ropesman, for one permalink fedilink source parent [–] porkins@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago This sells Musk short. He is making smart entrepreneurial decisions for the most part. I hate the monkey testing controversy though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Tru permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] Korne127@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Woah; that's just so wildly inaccurate; I have no idea what to even say. Are you really saying Jobs was a transphobic right-wing extremist whose father got super rich and helped him to just buy into uprising companies without really doing anything by himself? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 61 points 2 years ago (8 children) He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that's about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies) [–] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he's a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros. I was maybe being a bit hyperbolic in my comparison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) did he ever reconcile with his kid? hard to imagine just ignoring your own child like that... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nuxetcrux@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago Who, Elon or Steve? /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was Oh he died soon enough. permalink fedilink source parent [+] marmo7ade@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OscarRobin@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago (7 children) Steve Jobs did at least actually do things. Musk just buys things and claims he did them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] SternburgExport@feddit.de 176 points 2 years ago (7 children) Nah Jobs didn't do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Restaldt@lemm.ee 31 points 2 years ago (15 children) So elon but a good businessman permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago Salesman permalink fedilink source parent [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) without the good, or the (hu)man(ity) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (3 children) There's no version of this reality where Jobs isn't a good businessman. You might not like the company or their products, but they've somehow managed to build a huge and successful business selling those overpriced toys to tons of people. They managed to create a cult around expensive consumer electronics. That is a massive success no matter how you slice it. And you can't deny that Jobs played a big part in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago The weird thing is that Apple without Jobs was a failure, but also Jobs without Apple was also a failure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it was just a gag for comic effect. it wasn't the breadth and depth of my thoughts and feelings of the digital and manufacturing epochs since the 1980s. But also, it was kind of begging the question of "is there such thing as a good business man?" There's good for /their/ business. But is that- in general - good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Also you can tie it directly to Jobs, because when he was gone for a bit, apple fuckin tanked, and then he came back and they came out with the iPod. That's not an accident. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (13 replies) [–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago Just like how Elon did not design his rockets, SpaceX engineers did, Steve did not design the iPhone, Apple engineers did. Also everyone seems to conveniently forget about the factory workers actually building them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Jobs insisted on removing the keypad from a smartphone. He didn't make the multitouch display, but he did force app developers to take it seriously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AssholeDestroyer@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago The iPhone didn't originally have apps other than basic ones that shipped with the phone, like Safari, YouTube, calculator, etc... People hacked the first gen to run things like an NES emulator. Apple promptly shut that down and introduced the app store. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I don't hate Jobs for that, but I despise almost every other fucking company panicking in order to copy that shit. Blackberry keyboards were great stuff in the early 2010s. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like he had a part in the first apple. Wozniac did the work but Jobs sold it. Selling and marketing are not easy and a different skill set. I'd be curious what Wozniac has to say about it though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago Not only Jobs managed to sell, he managed to sell way above cost. Apple became synonymous with premium features, even when it was clearly lagging behind the competition in terms of raw power (late 80's) or offering sub par experiences. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies) [–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (3 children) What things did he do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] fred@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) He invented the rounded rectangle, all hail permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago There's also the flat mouse permalink fedilink source parent [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Jobs insisted on selling a touchscreen-only smartphone. Turns out, he was right on that one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] roboticide@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But like, he didn't design or build it himself. His company did. So by that logic he's still the same as Musk, who insisted on a mass-market EV car or reusable rockets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago His company did. It wasn't even his company, they stole the concept from another company. The home button also wasn't an apple original. The "sum of the parts" was the "original" thing permalink fedilink source parent [–] smackjack@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* He was also right about not supporting Flash on the iPhone. People wanted to crucify him for that, but better video and web standards came about because of it, and we're all better off living in a world without Flash. permalink fedilink source parent [–] instamat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago He was a world-class jump-ropesman, for one permalink fedilink source parent [–] porkins@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago This sells Musk short. He is making smart entrepreneurial decisions for the most part. I hate the monkey testing controversy though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] stevedidWHAT@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Tru permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] SternburgExport@feddit.de 176 points 2 years ago (7 children) Nah Jobs didn't do anything himself. From Wozniaks first computer up to the multitouch display for the iPhone, all of these things were just bought/stolen/copied. Jobs just knew how to put these technologies into something that would sell. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Restaldt@lemm.ee 31 points 2 years ago (15 children) So elon but a good businessman permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago Salesman permalink fedilink source parent [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) without the good, or the (hu)man(ity) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (3 children) There's no version of this reality where Jobs isn't a good businessman. You might not like the company or their products, but they've somehow managed to build a huge and successful business selling those overpriced toys to tons of people. They managed to create a cult around expensive consumer electronics. That is a massive success no matter how you slice it. And you can't deny that Jobs played a big part in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago The weird thing is that Apple without Jobs was a failure, but also Jobs without Apple was also a failure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it was just a gag for comic effect. it wasn't the breadth and depth of my thoughts and feelings of the digital and manufacturing epochs since the 1980s. But also, it was kind of begging the question of "is there such thing as a good business man?" There's good for /their/ business. But is that- in general - good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Also you can tie it directly to Jobs, because when he was gone for a bit, apple fuckin tanked, and then he came back and they came out with the iPod. That's not an accident. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (13 replies) [–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago Just like how Elon did not design his rockets, SpaceX engineers did, Steve did not design the iPhone, Apple engineers did. Also everyone seems to conveniently forget about the factory workers actually building them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Jobs insisted on removing the keypad from a smartphone. He didn't make the multitouch display, but he did force app developers to take it seriously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AssholeDestroyer@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago The iPhone didn't originally have apps other than basic ones that shipped with the phone, like Safari, YouTube, calculator, etc... People hacked the first gen to run things like an NES emulator. Apple promptly shut that down and introduced the app store. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I don't hate Jobs for that, but I despise almost every other fucking company panicking in order to copy that shit. Blackberry keyboards were great stuff in the early 2010s. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like he had a part in the first apple. Wozniac did the work but Jobs sold it. Selling and marketing are not easy and a different skill set. I'd be curious what Wozniac has to say about it though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago Not only Jobs managed to sell, he managed to sell way above cost. Apple became synonymous with premium features, even when it was clearly lagging behind the competition in terms of raw power (late 80's) or offering sub par experiences. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (3 replies)
[–] Restaldt@lemm.ee 31 points 2 years ago (15 children) So elon but a good businessman permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] msage@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago Salesman permalink fedilink source parent [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) without the good, or the (hu)man(ity) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (3 children) There's no version of this reality where Jobs isn't a good businessman. You might not like the company or their products, but they've somehow managed to build a huge and successful business selling those overpriced toys to tons of people. They managed to create a cult around expensive consumer electronics. That is a massive success no matter how you slice it. And you can't deny that Jobs played a big part in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago The weird thing is that Apple without Jobs was a failure, but also Jobs without Apple was also a failure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it was just a gag for comic effect. it wasn't the breadth and depth of my thoughts and feelings of the digital and manufacturing epochs since the 1980s. But also, it was kind of begging the question of "is there such thing as a good business man?" There's good for /their/ business. But is that- in general - good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Also you can tie it directly to Jobs, because when he was gone for a bit, apple fuckin tanked, and then he came back and they came out with the iPod. That's not an accident. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (13 replies)
[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) without the good, or the (hu)man(ity) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (3 children) There's no version of this reality where Jobs isn't a good businessman. You might not like the company or their products, but they've somehow managed to build a huge and successful business selling those overpriced toys to tons of people. They managed to create a cult around expensive consumer electronics. That is a massive success no matter how you slice it. And you can't deny that Jobs played a big part in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago The weird thing is that Apple without Jobs was a failure, but also Jobs without Apple was also a failure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it was just a gag for comic effect. it wasn't the breadth and depth of my thoughts and feelings of the digital and manufacturing epochs since the 1980s. But also, it was kind of begging the question of "is there such thing as a good business man?" There's good for /their/ business. But is that- in general - good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Also you can tie it directly to Jobs, because when he was gone for a bit, apple fuckin tanked, and then he came back and they came out with the iPod. That's not an accident. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (3 children) There's no version of this reality where Jobs isn't a good businessman. You might not like the company or their products, but they've somehow managed to build a huge and successful business selling those overpriced toys to tons of people. They managed to create a cult around expensive consumer electronics. That is a massive success no matter how you slice it. And you can't deny that Jobs played a big part in that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago The weird thing is that Apple without Jobs was a failure, but also Jobs without Apple was also a failure. permalink fedilink source parent [–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it was just a gag for comic effect. it wasn't the breadth and depth of my thoughts and feelings of the digital and manufacturing epochs since the 1980s. But also, it was kind of begging the question of "is there such thing as a good business man?" There's good for /their/ business. But is that- in general - good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Also you can tie it directly to Jobs, because when he was gone for a bit, apple fuckin tanked, and then he came back and they came out with the iPod. That's not an accident. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago The weird thing is that Apple without Jobs was a failure, but also Jobs without Apple was also a failure. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) it was just a gag for comic effect. it wasn't the breadth and depth of my thoughts and feelings of the digital and manufacturing epochs since the 1980s. But also, it was kind of begging the question of "is there such thing as a good business man?" There's good for /their/ business. But is that- in general - good? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] SCB@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Also you can tie it directly to Jobs, because when he was gone for a bit, apple fuckin tanked, and then he came back and they came out with the iPod. That's not an accident. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago Just like how Elon did not design his rockets, SpaceX engineers did, Steve did not design the iPhone, Apple engineers did. Also everyone seems to conveniently forget about the factory workers actually building them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Jobs insisted on removing the keypad from a smartphone. He didn't make the multitouch display, but he did force app developers to take it seriously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AssholeDestroyer@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago The iPhone didn't originally have apps other than basic ones that shipped with the phone, like Safari, YouTube, calculator, etc... People hacked the first gen to run things like an NES emulator. Apple promptly shut that down and introduced the app store. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I don't hate Jobs for that, but I despise almost every other fucking company panicking in order to copy that shit. Blackberry keyboards were great stuff in the early 2010s. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AssholeDestroyer@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago The iPhone didn't originally have apps other than basic ones that shipped with the phone, like Safari, YouTube, calculator, etc... People hacked the first gen to run things like an NES emulator. Apple promptly shut that down and introduced the app store. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago I don't hate Jobs for that, but I despise almost every other fucking company panicking in order to copy that shit. Blackberry keyboards were great stuff in the early 2010s. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I feel like he had a part in the first apple. Wozniac did the work but Jobs sold it. Selling and marketing are not easy and a different skill set. I'd be curious what Wozniac has to say about it though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago Not only Jobs managed to sell, he managed to sell way above cost. Apple became synonymous with premium features, even when it was clearly lagging behind the competition in terms of raw power (late 80's) or offering sub par experiences. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago Not only Jobs managed to sell, he managed to sell way above cost. Apple became synonymous with premium features, even when it was clearly lagging behind the competition in terms of raw power (late 80's) or offering sub par experiences. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sub_ubi@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (3 children) What things did he do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] fred@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) He invented the rounded rectangle, all hail permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago There's also the flat mouse permalink fedilink source parent [–] jarfil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Jobs insisted on selling a touchscreen-only smartphone. Turns out, he was right on that one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] roboticide@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But like, he didn't design or build it himself. His company did. So by that logic he's still the same as Musk, who insisted on a mass-market EV car or reusable rockets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago His company did. It wasn't even his company, they stole the concept from another company. The home button also wasn't an apple original. The "sum of the parts" was the "original" thing permalink fedilink source parent [–] smackjack@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* He was also right about not supporting Flash on the iPhone. People wanted to crucify him for that, but better video and web standards came about because of it, and we're all better off living in a world without Flash. permalink fedilink source parent [–] instamat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago He was a world-class jump-ropesman, for one permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fred@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago (1 child) He invented the rounded rectangle, all hail permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago There's also the flat mouse permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago There's also the flat mouse permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Jobs insisted on selling a touchscreen-only smartphone. Turns out, he was right on that one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] roboticide@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But like, he didn't design or build it himself. His company did. So by that logic he's still the same as Musk, who insisted on a mass-market EV car or reusable rockets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago His company did. It wasn't even his company, they stole the concept from another company. The home button also wasn't an apple original. The "sum of the parts" was the "original" thing permalink fedilink source parent [–] smackjack@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* He was also right about not supporting Flash on the iPhone. People wanted to crucify him for that, but better video and web standards came about because of it, and we're all better off living in a world without Flash. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] roboticide@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But like, he didn't design or build it himself. His company did. So by that logic he's still the same as Musk, who insisted on a mass-market EV car or reusable rockets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago His company did. It wasn't even his company, they stole the concept from another company. The home button also wasn't an apple original. The "sum of the parts" was the "original" thing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago His company did. It wasn't even his company, they stole the concept from another company. The home button also wasn't an apple original. The "sum of the parts" was the "original" thing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] smackjack@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* He was also right about not supporting Flash on the iPhone. People wanted to crucify him for that, but better video and web standards came about because of it, and we're all better off living in a world without Flash. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] instamat@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago He was a world-class jump-ropesman, for one permalink fedilink source parent
[–] porkins@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago This sells Musk short. He is making smart entrepreneurial decisions for the most part. I hate the monkey testing controversy though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Woah; that's just so wildly inaccurate; I have no idea what to even say. Are you really saying Jobs was a transphobic right-wing extremist whose father got super rich and helped him to just buy into uprising companies without really doing anything by himself? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 61 points 2 years ago (8 children) He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that's about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies) [–] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he's a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros. I was maybe being a bit hyperbolic in my comparison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 61 points 2 years ago (8 children) He did father a child he denied to the day he died, intentionally screwed Woz out of his fair share of the apple fortune, killed himself by treating cancer with quackery. Jobs is probably more self made, but that's about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies)
[–] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's true, he was not nearly as bad as Musk. I was mainly talking about how he's a general asshole who steals from others and is revered by techbros. I was maybe being a bit hyperbolic in my comparison. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) did he ever reconcile with his kid? hard to imagine just ignoring your own child like that... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nuxetcrux@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago Who, Elon or Steve? /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nuxetcrux@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago Who, Elon or Steve? /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago he just died too soon for everyone to see him for the villain he was Oh he died soon enough. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] marmo7ade@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
