▲ 846 ▼ Leaked Email Shows Elon Musk Demanding "Sub 10 Micron Accuracy ” Cybertruck Parts (jalopnik.com) submitted 2 years ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to c/technology@lemmy.world 354 comments fedilink hide all child comments Tesla is facing issues with the bare metal construction of the Cybertruck, which Elon Musk warned was as tricky to do as making Lego bricks
[+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 128 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] barsoap@lemm.ee 32 points 2 years ago* (1 child) He's probably hyper self conscious about people ripping into Teslas over their clearances (with inconsistencies measured in millimetres). But, no, instead of saying "VW can produce stuff that doesn't look like it fell from a truck and you will figure it out, too" he's going overboard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago If we're going overboard, why bother with cars at all? Just use this cheesy blueprint, make it work and solve all of humanity's problems! This is what California should invest in instead of trains. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Micron, as in 0.00004"? Yes you COULD hold it, with second ops and temp control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The total tolerance is .0004". In equally disposed bilateral tolerancing it will be +-.0002". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Eh, if someone tells me to reduce a tolerance from 5 to 10 thou at work, it's understood that it's +/-5 and 10. I don't think I've ever heard someone use the full range of a tolerance in conversation. If the tolerance isn't bilateral, it would be said like plus 5, minus zero. Anyways, +/- .0005" is our standard tolerance on the span of all dowel hole pairs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Bilateral tolerancing is a Machinist's first introduction to tolerancing so it's no surprise to run that as default. And I suppose GD&T is not heavily used where you are. If you're given a parallelism tolerance of 10 micron are you assuming that to be +-10 micron? True position? Angularity of 5 thou? Etc... The only feature control that could be interpreted as bilateral by default is profile and it's still communicated by its total tolerance. Simple +- tolerancing isn't the industry standard anymore. And if Tesla prints are anything like spaceX ones... It's basically all GD&T and minimal title block tolerances. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I use GD&T on all my drawings, including 100% of my hole callouts. However I'm one of the more enthusiastic adopters of ASME Y14.5 at the place I work. Therefore, I get what your saying regarding the tolerance range, but since most of my coworkers are still relying on block tolerances, I'll refer to a .010" positional tolerance as a "+/- .005" equivalent" in conversation so there is no miscommunication. I can see how this is not the norm. permalink fedilink source parent [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Just curious.. what does Starrett have that Tesla will need? Starrett isn't known for quality precision metrology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Elon: "Stacking" tolerances? No, we will not tolerate anything less than micron precision on every aspect of the design. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 32 points 2 years ago* (1 child) He's probably hyper self conscious about people ripping into Teslas over their clearances (with inconsistencies measured in millimetres). But, no, instead of saying "VW can produce stuff that doesn't look like it fell from a truck and you will figure it out, too" he's going overboard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago If we're going overboard, why bother with cars at all? Just use this cheesy blueprint, make it work and solve all of humanity's problems! This is what California should invest in instead of trains. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago If we're going overboard, why bother with cars at all? Just use this cheesy blueprint, make it work and solve all of humanity's problems! This is what California should invest in instead of trains. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HessiaNerd@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Micron, as in 0.00004"? Yes you COULD hold it, with second ops and temp control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The total tolerance is .0004". In equally disposed bilateral tolerancing it will be +-.0002". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Eh, if someone tells me to reduce a tolerance from 5 to 10 thou at work, it's understood that it's +/-5 and 10. I don't think I've ever heard someone use the full range of a tolerance in conversation. If the tolerance isn't bilateral, it would be said like plus 5, minus zero. Anyways, +/- .0005" is our standard tolerance on the span of all dowel hole pairs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Bilateral tolerancing is a Machinist's first introduction to tolerancing so it's no surprise to run that as default. And I suppose GD&T is not heavily used where you are. If you're given a parallelism tolerance of 10 micron are you assuming that to be +-10 micron? True position? Angularity of 5 thou? Etc... The only feature control that could be interpreted as bilateral by default is profile and it's still communicated by its total tolerance. Simple +- tolerancing isn't the industry standard anymore. And if Tesla prints are anything like spaceX ones... It's basically all GD&T and minimal title block tolerances. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I use GD&T on all my drawings, including 100% of my hole callouts. However I'm one of the more enthusiastic adopters of ASME Y14.5 at the place I work. Therefore, I get what your saying regarding the tolerance range, but since most of my coworkers are still relying on block tolerances, I'll refer to a .010" positional tolerance as a "+/- .005" equivalent" in conversation so there is no miscommunication. I can see how this is not the norm. permalink fedilink source parent [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Just curious.. what does Starrett have that Tesla will need? Starrett isn't known for quality precision metrology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The total tolerance is .0004". In equally disposed bilateral tolerancing it will be +-.0002". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Eh, if someone tells me to reduce a tolerance from 5 to 10 thou at work, it's understood that it's +/-5 and 10. I don't think I've ever heard someone use the full range of a tolerance in conversation. If the tolerance isn't bilateral, it would be said like plus 5, minus zero. Anyways, +/- .0005" is our standard tolerance on the span of all dowel hole pairs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Bilateral tolerancing is a Machinist's first introduction to tolerancing so it's no surprise to run that as default. And I suppose GD&T is not heavily used where you are. If you're given a parallelism tolerance of 10 micron are you assuming that to be +-10 micron? True position? Angularity of 5 thou? Etc... The only feature control that could be interpreted as bilateral by default is profile and it's still communicated by its total tolerance. Simple +- tolerancing isn't the industry standard anymore. And if Tesla prints are anything like spaceX ones... It's basically all GD&T and minimal title block tolerances. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I use GD&T on all my drawings, including 100% of my hole callouts. However I'm one of the more enthusiastic adopters of ASME Y14.5 at the place I work. Therefore, I get what your saying regarding the tolerance range, but since most of my coworkers are still relying on block tolerances, I'll refer to a .010" positional tolerance as a "+/- .005" equivalent" in conversation so there is no miscommunication. I can see how this is not the norm. permalink fedilink source parent [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Just curious.. what does Starrett have that Tesla will need? Starrett isn't known for quality precision metrology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The total tolerance is .0004". In equally disposed bilateral tolerancing it will be +-.0002". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Eh, if someone tells me to reduce a tolerance from 5 to 10 thou at work, it's understood that it's +/-5 and 10. I don't think I've ever heard someone use the full range of a tolerance in conversation. If the tolerance isn't bilateral, it would be said like plus 5, minus zero. Anyways, +/- .0005" is our standard tolerance on the span of all dowel hole pairs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Bilateral tolerancing is a Machinist's first introduction to tolerancing so it's no surprise to run that as default. And I suppose GD&T is not heavily used where you are. If you're given a parallelism tolerance of 10 micron are you assuming that to be +-10 micron? True position? Angularity of 5 thou? Etc... The only feature control that could be interpreted as bilateral by default is profile and it's still communicated by its total tolerance. Simple +- tolerancing isn't the industry standard anymore. And if Tesla prints are anything like spaceX ones... It's basically all GD&T and minimal title block tolerances. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I use GD&T on all my drawings, including 100% of my hole callouts. However I'm one of the more enthusiastic adopters of ASME Y14.5 at the place I work. Therefore, I get what your saying regarding the tolerance range, but since most of my coworkers are still relying on block tolerances, I'll refer to a .010" positional tolerance as a "+/- .005" equivalent" in conversation so there is no miscommunication. I can see how this is not the norm. permalink fedilink source parent [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Just curious.. what does Starrett have that Tesla will need? Starrett isn't known for quality precision metrology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Eh, if someone tells me to reduce a tolerance from 5 to 10 thou at work, it's understood that it's +/-5 and 10. I don't think I've ever heard someone use the full range of a tolerance in conversation. If the tolerance isn't bilateral, it would be said like plus 5, minus zero. Anyways, +/- .0005" is our standard tolerance on the span of all dowel hole pairs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Bilateral tolerancing is a Machinist's first introduction to tolerancing so it's no surprise to run that as default. And I suppose GD&T is not heavily used where you are. If you're given a parallelism tolerance of 10 micron are you assuming that to be +-10 micron? True position? Angularity of 5 thou? Etc... The only feature control that could be interpreted as bilateral by default is profile and it's still communicated by its total tolerance. Simple +- tolerancing isn't the industry standard anymore. And if Tesla prints are anything like spaceX ones... It's basically all GD&T and minimal title block tolerances. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I use GD&T on all my drawings, including 100% of my hole callouts. However I'm one of the more enthusiastic adopters of ASME Y14.5 at the place I work. Therefore, I get what your saying regarding the tolerance range, but since most of my coworkers are still relying on block tolerances, I'll refer to a .010" positional tolerance as a "+/- .005" equivalent" in conversation so there is no miscommunication. I can see how this is not the norm. permalink fedilink source parent [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Just curious.. what does Starrett have that Tesla will need? Starrett isn't known for quality precision metrology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Bilateral tolerancing is a Machinist's first introduction to tolerancing so it's no surprise to run that as default. And I suppose GD&T is not heavily used where you are. If you're given a parallelism tolerance of 10 micron are you assuming that to be +-10 micron? True position? Angularity of 5 thou? Etc... The only feature control that could be interpreted as bilateral by default is profile and it's still communicated by its total tolerance. Simple +- tolerancing isn't the industry standard anymore. And if Tesla prints are anything like spaceX ones... It's basically all GD&T and minimal title block tolerances. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I use GD&T on all my drawings, including 100% of my hole callouts. However I'm one of the more enthusiastic adopters of ASME Y14.5 at the place I work. Therefore, I get what your saying regarding the tolerance range, but since most of my coworkers are still relying on block tolerances, I'll refer to a .010" positional tolerance as a "+/- .005" equivalent" in conversation so there is no miscommunication. I can see how this is not the norm. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlDente@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago I use GD&T on all my drawings, including 100% of my hole callouts. However I'm one of the more enthusiastic adopters of ASME Y14.5 at the place I work. Therefore, I get what your saying regarding the tolerance range, but since most of my coworkers are still relying on block tolerances, I'll refer to a .010" positional tolerance as a "+/- .005" equivalent" in conversation so there is no miscommunication. I can see how this is not the norm. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Just curious.. what does Starrett have that Tesla will need? Starrett isn't known for quality precision metrology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] curiousPJ@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Just curious.. what does Starrett have that Tesla will need? Starrett isn't known for quality precision metrology. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] cryomancer20x6@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Elon: "Stacking" tolerances? No, we will not tolerate anything less than micron precision on every aspect of the design. permalink fedilink source parent