▲ 201 ▼ 'We're close to the end': Biden world braces for the possibility that the president steps aside (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 109 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (4 children) As much as I hate it, I think there too much subconscious misogyny to try it. It's a recipe for failure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (3 children) And racism. Can't forget the racism! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well as a European, I’m going to give the US some credit: voters did elect a black, ‘possibly-Muslim’ guy with a name that sounds vaguely like a well-known terrorist. And they elected him twice. Besides, the democrats really appear to be in a situation where they’ll vote for a proverbial ham sandwich if it stops Trump from getting the presidency. Are there racist voters who hate women? Obviously. But it’s not like it’s an immediate disqualification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Make it a real ham sandwich instead of a proverbial one, and you've got a deal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sabata11792@ani.social 1 point 2 years ago The ham sandwich has my vote since its not Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ikidd@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago I think that would work for her. There's way more minorities and centrists that would come out to vote for her because of Obama's legacy than racists that would stay home out of spite IMO. I certainly don't think she'll be anything like Obama, but one could hope. permalink fedilink source parent [–] torsday@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Though racism is a factor, that doesn't mean she isn't also a bad candidate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TreeGhost@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (3 children) Aren't all of the misogynists already voting for Trump? I think just being a younger woman candidate could energize the younger voting base. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* I'm afraid a lot of older Dems just wouldn't vote, it's a low turnout that could be killer. I don't know if she really resonated with the younger voters that much, not like AOC for instance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Especially with bodily autonomy being a live issue permalink fedilink source parent [–] radivojevic@discuss.online 3 points 2 years ago Yeah it will energize, and they’ll be really confused on voting day when they find out they needed to register to vote. I think voting should be mandatory, easier, and have an abstain option for those people who don’t want to choose. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago* All the right wingers who wanted Trump are going to vote for him and all the Republicans that wanted someone else rallied behind a woman during their primaries. I think people are blowing up an issue thats less impactful than they make it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago I'm sure there's plenty of misogyny and racism to put people off, but don't underestimate "being another bland candidate who won't get people excited enough to vote". It wasn't just women haters that made Trump beat Clinton. People's lives are shit, and while Trump will for sure make them even shittier, "things will be mostly the same as they are now, with some baby steps towards things you've wanted for decades" isn't exactly a rallying cry for the ages. The Democrats were never going to let Sanders have anything, but AOC? Maybe? She at least makes the news when she says things. And unlike Republicans, they're not horrible things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago (3 children) And racism. Can't forget the racism! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well as a European, I’m going to give the US some credit: voters did elect a black, ‘possibly-Muslim’ guy with a name that sounds vaguely like a well-known terrorist. And they elected him twice. Besides, the democrats really appear to be in a situation where they’ll vote for a proverbial ham sandwich if it stops Trump from getting the presidency. Are there racist voters who hate women? Obviously. But it’s not like it’s an immediate disqualification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Make it a real ham sandwich instead of a proverbial one, and you've got a deal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sabata11792@ani.social 1 point 2 years ago The ham sandwich has my vote since its not Trump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ikidd@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago I think that would work for her. There's way more minorities and centrists that would come out to vote for her because of Obama's legacy than racists that would stay home out of spite IMO. I certainly don't think she'll be anything like Obama, but one could hope. permalink fedilink source parent [–] torsday@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Though racism is a factor, that doesn't mean she isn't also a bad candidate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well as a European, I’m going to give the US some credit: voters did elect a black, ‘possibly-Muslim’ guy with a name that sounds vaguely like a well-known terrorist. And they elected him twice. Besides, the democrats really appear to be in a situation where they’ll vote for a proverbial ham sandwich if it stops Trump from getting the presidency. Are there racist voters who hate women? Obviously. But it’s not like it’s an immediate disqualification. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Make it a real ham sandwich instead of a proverbial one, and you've got a deal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sabata11792@ani.social 1 point 2 years ago The ham sandwich has my vote since its not Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SwampYankee@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago Make it a real ham sandwich instead of a proverbial one, and you've got a deal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 1 point 2 years ago The ham sandwich has my vote since its not Trump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago I think that would work for her. There's way more minorities and centrists that would come out to vote for her because of Obama's legacy than racists that would stay home out of spite IMO. I certainly don't think she'll be anything like Obama, but one could hope. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] torsday@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Though racism is a factor, that doesn't mean she isn't also a bad candidate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TreeGhost@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago (3 children) Aren't all of the misogynists already voting for Trump? I think just being a younger woman candidate could energize the younger voting base. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* I'm afraid a lot of older Dems just wouldn't vote, it's a low turnout that could be killer. I don't know if she really resonated with the younger voters that much, not like AOC for instance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Especially with bodily autonomy being a live issue permalink fedilink source parent [–] radivojevic@discuss.online 3 points 2 years ago Yeah it will energize, and they’ll be really confused on voting day when they find out they needed to register to vote. I think voting should be mandatory, easier, and have an abstain option for those people who don’t want to choose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* I'm afraid a lot of older Dems just wouldn't vote, it's a low turnout that could be killer. I don't know if she really resonated with the younger voters that much, not like AOC for instance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Especially with bodily autonomy being a live issue permalink fedilink source parent
[–] radivojevic@discuss.online 3 points 2 years ago Yeah it will energize, and they’ll be really confused on voting day when they find out they needed to register to vote. I think voting should be mandatory, easier, and have an abstain option for those people who don’t want to choose. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago* All the right wingers who wanted Trump are going to vote for him and all the Republicans that wanted someone else rallied behind a woman during their primaries. I think people are blowing up an issue thats less impactful than they make it out to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago I'm sure there's plenty of misogyny and racism to put people off, but don't underestimate "being another bland candidate who won't get people excited enough to vote". It wasn't just women haters that made Trump beat Clinton. People's lives are shit, and while Trump will for sure make them even shittier, "things will be mostly the same as they are now, with some baby steps towards things you've wanted for decades" isn't exactly a rallying cry for the ages. The Democrats were never going to let Sanders have anything, but AOC? Maybe? She at least makes the news when she says things. And unlike Republicans, they're not horrible things. permalink fedilink source parent