▲ 87 ▼ Toronto is about to get a new type of intersection unlike any it's seen before (www.blogto.com) submitted 2 years ago by baernhelm@feddit.de to c/toronto@lemmy.ca 31 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) A roundabout does not protect people riding bicycles. This intersection is designed to make them more visible to drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] bob_wiley@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Can you draw that? How does it work when a bicycle wants to go straight and a car wants to turn right? Either you would need underpasses/overpasses or accept that cars and bikes will constantly cross each other, which in practice means the bikes will be in danger. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] bob_wiley@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bahalex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) They put in protected bike lanes on big street near me. Bike lane-parking-traffic. So many ‘bike allies ‘ saying “it makes me more nervous to drive, I have to look for the cyclists now”. In a large part of the US at least, it’s never going to be default behavior. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're assuming that most people are decent law abiding drivers and won't be impatient and simply use that as another lane or parking spot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not if "protected" means "separated by a barrier". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm interested in your design of a roundabout with a protected bike lane. Does it have over passes or underpasses? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Detect when a biker is approaching, let spikes spring up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rootiest@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Wanna bet? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] NathanielThomas@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago You could still put an obstruction in the middle to prevent t-bone collisions while keeping the bike and pedestrian spaces. permalink fedilink source parent [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Phrodo_00@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Have you crossed a roundabout by foot? The crosswalk is offset from the border of the road by like 5 meters, meaning it takes like twice as much to cross. The crosswalk is also not in the slowest part of the roundabout. permalink fedilink source parent [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smk@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago Do you any data supporting this ? I really wonder what would be best for cyclists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Roundabouts need more space than a regular crossing and there are buildings on all four corners here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JimmyChanga@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's what mini roundabouts are for. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Madex@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Imagine if they had to drive in the UK lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] dkt@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago ...at Bloor and St George? People walk here permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) A roundabout does not protect people riding bicycles. This intersection is designed to make them more visible to drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] bob_wiley@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Can you draw that? How does it work when a bicycle wants to go straight and a car wants to turn right? Either you would need underpasses/overpasses or accept that cars and bikes will constantly cross each other, which in practice means the bikes will be in danger. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] bob_wiley@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bahalex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) They put in protected bike lanes on big street near me. Bike lane-parking-traffic. So many ‘bike allies ‘ saying “it makes me more nervous to drive, I have to look for the cyclists now”. In a large part of the US at least, it’s never going to be default behavior. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're assuming that most people are decent law abiding drivers and won't be impatient and simply use that as another lane or parking spot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not if "protected" means "separated by a barrier". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm interested in your design of a roundabout with a protected bike lane. Does it have over passes or underpasses? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Detect when a biker is approaching, let spikes spring up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rootiest@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Wanna bet? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] NathanielThomas@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago You could still put an obstruction in the middle to prevent t-bone collisions while keeping the bike and pedestrian spaces. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] bob_wiley@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Can you draw that? How does it work when a bicycle wants to go straight and a car wants to turn right? Either you would need underpasses/overpasses or accept that cars and bikes will constantly cross each other, which in practice means the bikes will be in danger. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] bob_wiley@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bahalex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) They put in protected bike lanes on big street near me. Bike lane-parking-traffic. So many ‘bike allies ‘ saying “it makes me more nervous to drive, I have to look for the cyclists now”. In a large part of the US at least, it’s never going to be default behavior. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're assuming that most people are decent law abiding drivers and won't be impatient and simply use that as another lane or parking spot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not if "protected" means "separated by a barrier". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm interested in your design of a roundabout with a protected bike lane. Does it have over passes or underpasses? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Detect when a biker is approaching, let spikes spring up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rootiest@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Wanna bet? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Can you draw that? How does it work when a bicycle wants to go straight and a car wants to turn right? Either you would need underpasses/overpasses or accept that cars and bikes will constantly cross each other, which in practice means the bikes will be in danger. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] bob_wiley@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bahalex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) They put in protected bike lanes on big street near me. Bike lane-parking-traffic. So many ‘bike allies ‘ saying “it makes me more nervous to drive, I have to look for the cyclists now”. In a large part of the US at least, it’s never going to be default behavior. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] bob_wiley@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bahalex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) They put in protected bike lanes on big street near me. Bike lane-parking-traffic. So many ‘bike allies ‘ saying “it makes me more nervous to drive, I have to look for the cyclists now”. In a large part of the US at least, it’s never going to be default behavior. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bahalex@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) They put in protected bike lanes on big street near me. Bike lane-parking-traffic. So many ‘bike allies ‘ saying “it makes me more nervous to drive, I have to look for the cyclists now”. In a large part of the US at least, it’s never going to be default behavior. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BaroqueInMind@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're assuming that most people are decent law abiding drivers and won't be impatient and simply use that as another lane or parking spot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not if "protected" means "separated by a barrier". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm interested in your design of a roundabout with a protected bike lane. Does it have over passes or underpasses? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Detect when a biker is approaching, let spikes spring up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rootiest@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Wanna bet? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) Not if "protected" means "separated by a barrier". permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm interested in your design of a roundabout with a protected bike lane. Does it have over passes or underpasses? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Detect when a biker is approaching, let spikes spring up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rootiest@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Wanna bet? 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm interested in your design of a roundabout with a protected bike lane. Does it have over passes or underpasses? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Detect when a biker is approaching, let spikes spring up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago Detect when a biker is approaching, let spikes spring up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NathanielThomas@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago You could still put an obstruction in the middle to prevent t-bone collisions while keeping the bike and pedestrian spaces. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Phrodo_00@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Have you crossed a roundabout by foot? The crosswalk is offset from the border of the road by like 5 meters, meaning it takes like twice as much to cross. The crosswalk is also not in the slowest part of the roundabout. permalink fedilink source parent [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smk@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago Do you any data supporting this ? I really wonder what would be best for cyclists. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Phrodo_00@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Have you crossed a roundabout by foot? The crosswalk is offset from the border of the road by like 5 meters, meaning it takes like twice as much to cross. The crosswalk is also not in the slowest part of the roundabout. permalink fedilink source parent [+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Phrodo_00@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Have you crossed a roundabout by foot? The crosswalk is offset from the border of the road by like 5 meters, meaning it takes like twice as much to cross. The crosswalk is also not in the slowest part of the roundabout. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smk@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago Do you any data supporting this ? I really wonder what would be best for cyclists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GigglyBobble@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Roundabouts need more space than a regular crossing and there are buildings on all four corners here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JimmyChanga@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's what mini roundabouts are for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JimmyChanga@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago That's what mini roundabouts are for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Madex@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Imagine if they had to drive in the UK lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dkt@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago ...at Bloor and St George? People walk here permalink fedilink source parent