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online anti cheats are the worst thing (lemmy.ml)

submitted 2 years ago by Ineocla@lemmy.ml to c/linux_gaming@lemmy.ml

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Recently, i had to move from nixos to windows against my will simpy because of anti cheats. While i dont game that much, the few games i enjoy playing are all online with some kind of anti cheat. I used to dual boot but i was tired of having to wait for my slow hdd to load windows (i only have one ssd). I literally used linux for everything else but because of anti cheats i am forced to move to windows. I managed to make it a little better by using wsl2 and removing bloatware but it will never be the same as linux

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[–] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 9 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

Don't be so spineless.

Plenty of games work without anti cheat on Linux and I only play them.

You just buckled under the tiniest amount of pressure, but you would have to pry Linux out of my cold dead hands.

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[–] Clipper152@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

Not sure why there are so many downvotes. Are there really that many people in here of all places who think gaming is just triple-A games from companies that don't respect their players and nothing else?

Edit: wording

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[–] cooopsspace@infosec.pub 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

It's actually pretty hard to fuck up your game that much that it doesn't work on Linux.

Many anti cheat even work under proton.

So yeah, just don't fucking buy shit games.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

Those anti cheat games usually need to opt in to supporting Proton/WINE. For Easy Anti Cheat (perhaps the biggest one out there), devs just need to tick a build option to support it, but then they feel obligated to do QA for it, so the option stays off until the higher ups decide to formally support that configuration.

So it's not that it's hard to mess it up, it's just hard to convince higher ups to allow their game to work on Linux.

If a AAA MP game doesn't work on Linux, it's probably intentional.

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[–] mee@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

I don't like it because that's the kind of elitist attitude that turns away new people from checking out Linux gaming. Imagine that as a response to "Hey I play these games and am interested in Linux". You're going to tell them: "switch to Linux and give up those games and if you don't you're not committed enough"?

It's gatekeeping "console-wars" fanboy mentality. Like a ~~Linux~~ Playstation fan attacking someone for playing an ~~Windows~~ Xbox Exclusive. As if that's supposed to be their whole identity, and not just a way to play video games.

There's nothing wrong with having multiple consoles; there's nothing wrong with dual-booting.

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[–] Clipper152@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

In my experience, most Windows-exclusive games work just fine under Wine. It's not that big a deal.

This thread isn't even about Windows games per se, but about a few games whose anti-cheats are screwing over Linux users.

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[–] Ineocla@lemmy.ml [S] 2 points 2 years ago

I could stop playing these games right now. As i said i'm don't use my computer for gaming that much. I could be perfectly satisfied with only minecraft. But i play them with the homies and i can't let them down

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[–] glimse@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

DENY YOURSELF EVERY PLEASURE IN LIFE IN SERVICE TO THE OPEN SOURCE GODS

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[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I don't think I would consider "games with anti cheat" to be "every pleasure in life". We're spoiled for choice in games. I can increasingly narrow the scope of what I'm willing to support with my money every year and still not run out of great games to play.

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[–] glimse@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I figured the "open source gods" line would have given away that I was being hyperbolic.

We're talking about online multiplayer games. Unless all of your friends are in the same camp as you, have fun playing not playing with them.

DRM, especially the always online kind, is shit. I get that and I agree. But to act like OP is weak for wanting to play the games that have it is EXACTLY the dismissive shit that turns people away from the FOSS community. It's gross and I hate it, get off your high horse (not you in particular) and have a real conversation with a person who comes with an earnest question, don't tell them they "buckled"

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[–] fluchtkapsel@nerdculture.de 1 point 2 years ago

@glimse
I'd have said that cheating is the worst. Especially in the light of all the measures the software studios have to take to protect honest gamers from being taken advantage of.
@ampersandrew

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[–] ampersandrew@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Unless all of your friends are in the same camp as you, have fun playing not playing with them.

You won't play everything with your friends, but you probably don't have a 100% overlap in interest in which games you play anyway. Plus, a friendly suggestion goes a long way. "Hey, want to play Quake now that it just got remastered?" or "I just found this game X, and it's on sale. It's kind of like Y but with Z. Want to check it out with me?" And yes, I knew you were being hyperbolic, but I think you were serious when you were saying you were denying yourself some pleasure rather than sticking to some principle. And the value of that principle is going to vary from person to person, so I also agree with you on the "buckling", but there's just so much to play out there that one criterion is unlikely to be a deal-breaker given the breadth of games available.

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[–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago

I mean you're basically saying "it's different for everyone so do what you want" which is very different than calling OP spineless for wanting to play games that don't work on Linux. I'm not arguing that the best games require Windows or that nothing else is worth playing - I'm saying it's arrogant and idiotic to insult someone over wanting to play.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

have fun not playing with them

I absolutely do.

I'm personally not interested in MP anyway, but I will occasionally play if there's a Linux compatible game on offer, but I'll probably burn out after a few sessions anyway. For example, I used to play L4D and similar co-op games with friends, but I got bored after finishing the campaign, so I bailed when they were still playing together.

There are plenty of MP games out there that work on Linux, and I've played several of them with friends. The big MP games just don't interest me.

So it's less "stand up for Linux" and more "stand up for yourself." If you don't like a game your friends like, for whatever reason, feel free to just not play it. I recommend suggesting something else that does interest you. We got into a rut and it turned out my friends didn't really like the games we were playing anyway, so recommending something else really spiced up our gaming time. Try it out and see what works.

But if you really want to play something, I don't see a problem with firing up Windows from time to time. I have it installed on my system as well, I just haven't used it in a year or two, but it's there if I need it.

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[–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

You're not the one with the attitude I take issue with. You didn't call OP spineless for wanting to play games that only work on Windows.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago

Sure, and I'm not arguing with you, merely giving a perspective that perhaps going with the group doesn't always get you what you want. If you value using a given OS more than playing a certain set of games with friends, that's an absolutely fine take. There are lots of options between the extremes of "don't play MP games at all" and "only use Windows for gaming."

If you don't want to play a specific game for some reason, don't play that game, even if all of your friends try to force you to.

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