▲ 1116 ▼ xkcd #2948: Electric vs Gas (xkcd.com) submitted 2 years ago by schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de to c/xkcd@lemmy.world 728 comments fedilink hide all child comments Alt text: An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that's the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.
[–] grue@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Petroleum can't be renewed, but biofuels can be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) v true but i also dislike how biofuels get smorked into yet more CO2 which is kind of a problem rn permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Biofuels are carbon-neutral. They release CO2 when burned, but it doesn't matter because that same CO2 had recently been sucked out of the atmosphere by the plant they came from. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) In theory true. In reality not true. While U.S. biofuel use rose from 0.37 to 1.34 EJ/yr over this period, additional carbon uptake on cropland was enough to offset only 37 % of the biofuel-related biogenic CO2emissions. This result falsifies the assumption of a full offset made by LCA and other GHG accounting methods that assume biofuel carbon neutrality. Once estimates from the literature for process emissions and displacement effects including land-use change are considered, the conclusion is that U.S. biofuel use to date is associated with a net increase rather than a net decrease in CO2emissions. study Not passing judgement on anything, just putting the facts out there that I happen to know :) Biofuel may or may not be a good tool to move toward more sustainability, and it’s certainly better than petrol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* My biofuel of choice is biodiesel produced from byproducts of chicken rendering that would otherwise become waste/pollution anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The way I see it, we should electrify all the things that can be (urban driving, both freight and passenger trains, etc.), maximize the use of those things (e.g. by shifting long-haul freight away from trucking and back towards rail, and shifting airline travel to high-speed rail), and then use biofuels for the relatively-niche stuff that's left instead of spending excessive effort trying to get electric to cover 100% of cases. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) v true but i also dislike how biofuels get smorked into yet more CO2 which is kind of a problem rn permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Biofuels are carbon-neutral. They release CO2 when burned, but it doesn't matter because that same CO2 had recently been sucked out of the atmosphere by the plant they came from. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) In theory true. In reality not true. While U.S. biofuel use rose from 0.37 to 1.34 EJ/yr over this period, additional carbon uptake on cropland was enough to offset only 37 % of the biofuel-related biogenic CO2emissions. This result falsifies the assumption of a full offset made by LCA and other GHG accounting methods that assume biofuel carbon neutrality. Once estimates from the literature for process emissions and displacement effects including land-use change are considered, the conclusion is that U.S. biofuel use to date is associated with a net increase rather than a net decrease in CO2emissions. study Not passing judgement on anything, just putting the facts out there that I happen to know :) Biofuel may or may not be a good tool to move toward more sustainability, and it’s certainly better than petrol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* My biofuel of choice is biodiesel produced from byproducts of chicken rendering that would otherwise become waste/pollution anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The way I see it, we should electrify all the things that can be (urban driving, both freight and passenger trains, etc.), maximize the use of those things (e.g. by shifting long-haul freight away from trucking and back towards rail, and shifting airline travel to high-speed rail), and then use biofuels for the relatively-niche stuff that's left instead of spending excessive effort trying to get electric to cover 100% of cases. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Biofuels are carbon-neutral. They release CO2 when burned, but it doesn't matter because that same CO2 had recently been sucked out of the atmosphere by the plant they came from. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) In theory true. In reality not true. While U.S. biofuel use rose from 0.37 to 1.34 EJ/yr over this period, additional carbon uptake on cropland was enough to offset only 37 % of the biofuel-related biogenic CO2emissions. This result falsifies the assumption of a full offset made by LCA and other GHG accounting methods that assume biofuel carbon neutrality. Once estimates from the literature for process emissions and displacement effects including land-use change are considered, the conclusion is that U.S. biofuel use to date is associated with a net increase rather than a net decrease in CO2emissions. study Not passing judgement on anything, just putting the facts out there that I happen to know :) Biofuel may or may not be a good tool to move toward more sustainability, and it’s certainly better than petrol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* My biofuel of choice is biodiesel produced from byproducts of chicken rendering that would otherwise become waste/pollution anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The way I see it, we should electrify all the things that can be (urban driving, both freight and passenger trains, etc.), maximize the use of those things (e.g. by shifting long-haul freight away from trucking and back towards rail, and shifting airline travel to high-speed rail), and then use biofuels for the relatively-niche stuff that's left instead of spending excessive effort trying to get electric to cover 100% of cases. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) In theory true. In reality not true. While U.S. biofuel use rose from 0.37 to 1.34 EJ/yr over this period, additional carbon uptake on cropland was enough to offset only 37 % of the biofuel-related biogenic CO2emissions. This result falsifies the assumption of a full offset made by LCA and other GHG accounting methods that assume biofuel carbon neutrality. Once estimates from the literature for process emissions and displacement effects including land-use change are considered, the conclusion is that U.S. biofuel use to date is associated with a net increase rather than a net decrease in CO2emissions. study Not passing judgement on anything, just putting the facts out there that I happen to know :) Biofuel may or may not be a good tool to move toward more sustainability, and it’s certainly better than petrol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* My biofuel of choice is biodiesel produced from byproducts of chicken rendering that would otherwise become waste/pollution anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The way I see it, we should electrify all the things that can be (urban driving, both freight and passenger trains, etc.), maximize the use of those things (e.g. by shifting long-haul freight away from trucking and back towards rail, and shifting airline travel to high-speed rail), and then use biofuels for the relatively-niche stuff that's left instead of spending excessive effort trying to get electric to cover 100% of cases. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* My biofuel of choice is biodiesel produced from byproducts of chicken rendering that would otherwise become waste/pollution anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The way I see it, we should electrify all the things that can be (urban driving, both freight and passenger trains, etc.), maximize the use of those things (e.g. by shifting long-haul freight away from trucking and back towards rail, and shifting airline travel to high-speed rail), and then use biofuels for the relatively-niche stuff that's left instead of spending excessive effort trying to get electric to cover 100% of cases. permalink fedilink source parent