▲ 173 ▼ Europe’s sweeping rules for tech giants are about to kick in. Here’s how they work (english.elpais.com) submitted 3 years ago by boem@lemmy.world to c/europe@feddit.de 13 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Mysteriarch@slrpnk.net 24 points 3 years ago (2 children) Good, long overdue. Is there anything on the accompanying Digital Markets Act and it's effects? I can't seem to find any comprehensive recent articles. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 59 points 3 years ago (6 children) I’ve been following this from the perspective of iOS and iPhones. In effect this will enable one to: Install any software without prejudice or gates. Apple cannot, for example, require developers to register with Apple, or pay them a fee. Install any app store and choose to make it default. Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default. Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default. User any browser and browser engine and choose to make it default. Use any messaging app and choose to make it default. Make core messaging functionality interoperable. They lay out concrete examples like file transfer. Use existing hardware and software features without competitive prejudice. E.g. NFC. Not preference their services. This includes CTAs in settings to encourage users to subscribe to Gatekeeper services, and ranking their own services above others in selection and advertising portals. Much, much, more. It’s one of the most impressive, most expansive pieces of technology focused legislation in my lifetime. They’ve really done a great job of covering all bases. I expect these to be available next month when the latest version of iOS drops. The deadline is in February/March. If they don’t get this out the door soon, they risk 20% of global revenue as a fine. It would be foolish to wait until the deadline as any issues with deployment would risk the fine, and the EU is eager make an example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] pufferfischerpulver@feddit.de 15 points 3 years ago (1 child) Do you have a source for your list? The article doesn't mention anything. If apple complies that would be huge!! Funnily enough if they would comply I might just be interested in an iPhone for the first time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 17 points 3 years ago I made the list after reading the legislation. Search for key words for the relevant sections, or if you have any specific questions I can direct you to the relevant sections. I think iOS will be an amazing OS after the changes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mysteriarch@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Use any messaging app and choose to make it default. Make core messaging functionality interoperable. They lay out concrete examples like file transfer. I've read some things like this. Is it correct that messaging services will need to interoperate? WhatsApp, Messenger, iMessage? Would love to be able to message people that I can't easily reach now from Signal for instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) Just a caveat on this point: they must enable interoperability. They don't have to build the integration. In practise, it will likely mean exposing a messaging API. Other messaging apps will likely integrate, but this will take time. I should mention that there might be some creative ways to work around this, though the EU takes a dim view of malicious compliance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemmes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I do not want Whats App or Messenger integrating with my iMessage app. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Onionizer@geddit.social 6 points 3 years ago Dear god I might consider buying an iphone permalink fedilink source parent [–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago Wow this is an amazing list. I hope these changes make their way to the US eventually. permalink fedilink source parent [–] highduc@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago Ty for the list. Very good changes. I hope they really hamper the techno feudalism of apps on phones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] poudi8@reddthat.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) How long before I have to deal with family members installing sh*t from Facebook ad on their phones? Now I do appreciate that we'll be able to easily install emulators. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Perhaps iPhones need a “grandma mode.” permalink fedilink source parent [–] 520@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago Wikipedia has a pretty good article on it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 59 points 3 years ago (6 children) I’ve been following this from the perspective of iOS and iPhones. In effect this will enable one to: Install any software without prejudice or gates. Apple cannot, for example, require developers to register with Apple, or pay them a fee. Install any app store and choose to make it default. Use third party payment providers and choose to make them default. Use any voice assistant and choose to make it default. User any browser and browser engine and choose to make it default. Use any messaging app and choose to make it default. Make core messaging functionality interoperable. They lay out concrete examples like file transfer. Use existing hardware and software features without competitive prejudice. E.g. NFC. Not preference their services. This includes CTAs in settings to encourage users to subscribe to Gatekeeper services, and ranking their own services above others in selection and advertising portals. Much, much, more. It’s one of the most impressive, most expansive pieces of technology focused legislation in my lifetime. They’ve really done a great job of covering all bases. I expect these to be available next month when the latest version of iOS drops. The deadline is in February/March. If they don’t get this out the door soon, they risk 20% of global revenue as a fine. It would be foolish to wait until the deadline as any issues with deployment would risk the fine, and the EU is eager make an example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] pufferfischerpulver@feddit.de 15 points 3 years ago (1 child) Do you have a source for your list? The article doesn't mention anything. If apple complies that would be huge!! Funnily enough if they would comply I might just be interested in an iPhone for the first time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 17 points 3 years ago I made the list after reading the legislation. Search for key words for the relevant sections, or if you have any specific questions I can direct you to the relevant sections. I think iOS will be an amazing OS after the changes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mysteriarch@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Use any messaging app and choose to make it default. Make core messaging functionality interoperable. They lay out concrete examples like file transfer. I've read some things like this. Is it correct that messaging services will need to interoperate? WhatsApp, Messenger, iMessage? Would love to be able to message people that I can't easily reach now from Signal for instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) Just a caveat on this point: they must enable interoperability. They don't have to build the integration. In practise, it will likely mean exposing a messaging API. Other messaging apps will likely integrate, but this will take time. I should mention that there might be some creative ways to work around this, though the EU takes a dim view of malicious compliance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemmes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I do not want Whats App or Messenger integrating with my iMessage app. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Onionizer@geddit.social 6 points 3 years ago Dear god I might consider buying an iphone permalink fedilink source parent [–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago Wow this is an amazing list. I hope these changes make their way to the US eventually. permalink fedilink source parent [–] highduc@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago Ty for the list. Very good changes. I hope they really hamper the techno feudalism of apps on phones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] poudi8@reddthat.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) How long before I have to deal with family members installing sh*t from Facebook ad on their phones? Now I do appreciate that we'll be able to easily install emulators. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Perhaps iPhones need a “grandma mode.” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pufferfischerpulver@feddit.de 15 points 3 years ago (1 child) Do you have a source for your list? The article doesn't mention anything. If apple complies that would be huge!! Funnily enough if they would comply I might just be interested in an iPhone for the first time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 17 points 3 years ago I made the list after reading the legislation. Search for key words for the relevant sections, or if you have any specific questions I can direct you to the relevant sections. I think iOS will be an amazing OS after the changes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 17 points 3 years ago I made the list after reading the legislation. Search for key words for the relevant sections, or if you have any specific questions I can direct you to the relevant sections. I think iOS will be an amazing OS after the changes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mysteriarch@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) Use any messaging app and choose to make it default. Make core messaging functionality interoperable. They lay out concrete examples like file transfer. I've read some things like this. Is it correct that messaging services will need to interoperate? WhatsApp, Messenger, iMessage? Would love to be able to message people that I can't easily reach now from Signal for instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) Just a caveat on this point: they must enable interoperability. They don't have to build the integration. In practise, it will likely mean exposing a messaging API. Other messaging apps will likely integrate, but this will take time. I should mention that there might be some creative ways to work around this, though the EU takes a dim view of malicious compliance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemmes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I do not want Whats App or Messenger integrating with my iMessage app. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago (1 child) Just a caveat on this point: they must enable interoperability. They don't have to build the integration. In practise, it will likely mean exposing a messaging API. Other messaging apps will likely integrate, but this will take time. I should mention that there might be some creative ways to work around this, though the EU takes a dim view of malicious compliance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] hemmes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I do not want Whats App or Messenger integrating with my iMessage app. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hemmes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago I do not want Whats App or Messenger integrating with my iMessage app. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Onionizer@geddit.social 6 points 3 years ago Dear god I might consider buying an iphone permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago Wow this is an amazing list. I hope these changes make their way to the US eventually. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] highduc@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 years ago Ty for the list. Very good changes. I hope they really hamper the techno feudalism of apps on phones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] poudi8@reddthat.com 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) How long before I have to deal with family members installing sh*t from Facebook ad on their phones? Now I do appreciate that we'll be able to easily install emulators. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Perhaps iPhones need a “grandma mode.” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Perhaps iPhones need a “grandma mode.” permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 520@kbin.social 12 points 3 years ago Wikipedia has a pretty good article on it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act permalink fedilink source parent