▲ 708 ▼ Patrick Breyer and Pirate Party lose EU Parliament seats (stackdiary.com) submitted 2 years ago by skilledtothegills@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 157 comments fedilink hide all child comments Patrick Breyer, a staunch defender of digital rights, laments the Pirate Party’s exit from the EU Parliament as a blow to online privacy.
[+] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Voting doesn't really matter, though. Edit, clarification: at least compared to bottom-up social movements. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US supreme court isn't even a democratically legitimized body. Why do you want to take the high road if reactionaries clearly don't care for the rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Go to your local library and read a book. Any book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ok. I've chosen this one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Hey guys, plowing this field won't feed you, we should just gather." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago Nice strawman, homie. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) It absolutely does though. You can’t elect worker ownership of the means of production but you sure can elect anything from fascists to social democrats. I for one don’t want fascists to control my government permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] someacnt_@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago But media controls people permalink fedilink source parent [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If progressive policies were ever put into place by an elected body, it was always merely a by-product of already established social consensus formed by bottom-up politics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I fully agree. But people get better things. Not voting means they don’t. Not voting means the people who want worse things get what they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago With electoralism, people get complacent with watered down reforms and become politically alienated. permalink fedilink source parent [–] klisklas@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If it doesn't matter, why are so many people afraid when the right wing parties take control? If it's not important why are people so concerned about the supreme Court? Why are women so scared of anti abortion legislation? You vote the legislative and they can simply take the power away from your social movements. So in the end, it does matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago Voting should not be the main strategy to fight for liberty and progressive change, since the cards in electoralism are way too stacked in favour of the already powerful minority. That's what I meant with "voting is not important". When Trump lost the last election, MAGA-heads were ready to take up arms against what they considered an injustice. Why aren't progressives ready to do so? How does the "vote blue no matter who" crowd prepare against another Jan 6th situation? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US supreme court isn't even a democratically legitimized body. Why do you want to take the high road if reactionaries clearly don't care for the rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Go to your local library and read a book. Any book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ok. I've chosen this one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Hey guys, plowing this field won't feed you, we should just gather." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago Nice strawman, homie. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -11 points 2 years ago (1 child) The US supreme court isn't even a democratically legitimized body. Why do you want to take the high road if reactionaries clearly don't care for the rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Go to your local library and read a book. Any book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ok. I've chosen this one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Hey guys, plowing this field won't feed you, we should just gather." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago Nice strawman, homie. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Go to your local library and read a book. Any book. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ok. I've chosen this one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Hey guys, plowing this field won't feed you, we should just gather." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago Nice strawman, homie. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ok. I've chosen this one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Hey guys, plowing this field won't feed you, we should just gather." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago Nice strawman, homie. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) "Hey guys, plowing this field won't feed you, we should just gather." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 years ago Nice strawman, homie. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) It absolutely does though. You can’t elect worker ownership of the means of production but you sure can elect anything from fascists to social democrats. I for one don’t want fascists to control my government permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] someacnt_@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago But media controls people permalink fedilink source parent [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If progressive policies were ever put into place by an elected body, it was always merely a by-product of already established social consensus formed by bottom-up politics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I fully agree. But people get better things. Not voting means they don’t. Not voting means the people who want worse things get what they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago With electoralism, people get complacent with watered down reforms and become politically alienated. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someacnt_@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago But media controls people permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) If progressive policies were ever put into place by an elected body, it was always merely a by-product of already established social consensus formed by bottom-up politics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I fully agree. But people get better things. Not voting means they don’t. Not voting means the people who want worse things get what they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago With electoralism, people get complacent with watered down reforms and become politically alienated. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I fully agree. But people get better things. Not voting means they don’t. Not voting means the people who want worse things get what they want permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago With electoralism, people get complacent with watered down reforms and become politically alienated. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 1 point 2 years ago With electoralism, people get complacent with watered down reforms and become politically alienated. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] klisklas@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) If it doesn't matter, why are so many people afraid when the right wing parties take control? If it's not important why are people so concerned about the supreme Court? Why are women so scared of anti abortion legislation? You vote the legislative and they can simply take the power away from your social movements. So in the end, it does matter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago Voting should not be the main strategy to fight for liberty and progressive change, since the cards in electoralism are way too stacked in favour of the already powerful minority. That's what I meant with "voting is not important". When Trump lost the last election, MAGA-heads were ready to take up arms against what they considered an injustice. Why aren't progressives ready to do so? How does the "vote blue no matter who" crowd prepare against another Jan 6th situation? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago Voting should not be the main strategy to fight for liberty and progressive change, since the cards in electoralism are way too stacked in favour of the already powerful minority. That's what I meant with "voting is not important". When Trump lost the last election, MAGA-heads were ready to take up arms against what they considered an injustice. Why aren't progressives ready to do so? How does the "vote blue no matter who" crowd prepare against another Jan 6th situation? permalink fedilink source parent