▲ 663 ▼ EVs Could Last Nearly Forever—If Car Companies Let Them (www.theatlantic.com) submitted 2 years ago by boem@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 308 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] RenegadeTwister@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bcron@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Pretty much this, diagnosing and fixing an electric motor is about as difficult as an alternator. Check signal, if good remove unit and swap (core gets remanufactured). With drive by wire and steer by wire and all that most things are equally modular. Gas pedal/throttle unit is pretty much a rheostat with a spring-loaded pedal, steering rack actuators, etc Then you got ICE which becomes a ship of theseus. If you put enough hours on a combustion engine you go from the simple stuff like hoses and timing belts to having to replace piston rings, bearings, or even the cylinder heads if they get so worn out that they leak and fail compression tests permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cornpop@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Spoken like someone that doesn’t work on cars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cars used to be much more modular. Newer models of car - much like newer models of cell phone - are deliberately engineered to be difficult to disassemble and fix, in order to compel people to replace the whole vehicle on a tighter time frame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yep. Like Tesla with its large castings. Makes the cars unrepairable. EV’s are the worst at this too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a big reason for the surge in popularity of Japanese cars, during the 80s/90s. Honda Civics were famously very easy to mod, leading to the trend of "Rice Rocket" cheap urban street racing cars. That's fallen off substantially in the last ten years, thanks to Japanese companies becoming infested with Wall Street / McKinley Consultant profit-chasers. Toyota and Hyundai might as well be run by the CEO of GM, the way they build their vehicles. But a lot of the new Indian and Chinese vehicles are adhering to more traditional modular manufacturing style. They're also having a really hard time getting their vehicles into Western dominated car-markets, for some curious reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Agreed 100 percent. I’ve never touched anything Chinese so I’m clueless there, but from what I’ve seen they are quite far ahead in the EV front. It’s a shame we don’t get the good stuff that Toyota still makes in Australia permalink fedilink source parent [–] tibi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago True, but even electrical vehicles need lubrication, cooling, breaking fluids etc. I'm expecting that, as EVs become more common, the car maintenance industry will catch up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bcron@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Pretty much this, diagnosing and fixing an electric motor is about as difficult as an alternator. Check signal, if good remove unit and swap (core gets remanufactured). With drive by wire and steer by wire and all that most things are equally modular. Gas pedal/throttle unit is pretty much a rheostat with a spring-loaded pedal, steering rack actuators, etc Then you got ICE which becomes a ship of theseus. If you put enough hours on a combustion engine you go from the simple stuff like hoses and timing belts to having to replace piston rings, bearings, or even the cylinder heads if they get so worn out that they leak and fail compression tests permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Cornpop@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Spoken like someone that doesn’t work on cars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cars used to be much more modular. Newer models of car - much like newer models of cell phone - are deliberately engineered to be difficult to disassemble and fix, in order to compel people to replace the whole vehicle on a tighter time frame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yep. Like Tesla with its large castings. Makes the cars unrepairable. EV’s are the worst at this too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a big reason for the surge in popularity of Japanese cars, during the 80s/90s. Honda Civics were famously very easy to mod, leading to the trend of "Rice Rocket" cheap urban street racing cars. That's fallen off substantially in the last ten years, thanks to Japanese companies becoming infested with Wall Street / McKinley Consultant profit-chasers. Toyota and Hyundai might as well be run by the CEO of GM, the way they build their vehicles. But a lot of the new Indian and Chinese vehicles are adhering to more traditional modular manufacturing style. They're also having a really hard time getting their vehicles into Western dominated car-markets, for some curious reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Agreed 100 percent. I’ve never touched anything Chinese so I’m clueless there, but from what I’ve seen they are quite far ahead in the EV front. It’s a shame we don’t get the good stuff that Toyota still makes in Australia permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Cornpop@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Spoken like someone that doesn’t work on cars. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cars used to be much more modular. Newer models of car - much like newer models of cell phone - are deliberately engineered to be difficult to disassemble and fix, in order to compel people to replace the whole vehicle on a tighter time frame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yep. Like Tesla with its large castings. Makes the cars unrepairable. EV’s are the worst at this too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a big reason for the surge in popularity of Japanese cars, during the 80s/90s. Honda Civics were famously very easy to mod, leading to the trend of "Rice Rocket" cheap urban street racing cars. That's fallen off substantially in the last ten years, thanks to Japanese companies becoming infested with Wall Street / McKinley Consultant profit-chasers. Toyota and Hyundai might as well be run by the CEO of GM, the way they build their vehicles. But a lot of the new Indian and Chinese vehicles are adhering to more traditional modular manufacturing style. They're also having a really hard time getting their vehicles into Western dominated car-markets, for some curious reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Agreed 100 percent. I’ve never touched anything Chinese so I’m clueless there, but from what I’ve seen they are quite far ahead in the EV front. It’s a shame we don’t get the good stuff that Toyota still makes in Australia permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cars used to be much more modular. Newer models of car - much like newer models of cell phone - are deliberately engineered to be difficult to disassemble and fix, in order to compel people to replace the whole vehicle on a tighter time frame. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yep. Like Tesla with its large castings. Makes the cars unrepairable. EV’s are the worst at this too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a big reason for the surge in popularity of Japanese cars, during the 80s/90s. Honda Civics were famously very easy to mod, leading to the trend of "Rice Rocket" cheap urban street racing cars. That's fallen off substantially in the last ten years, thanks to Japanese companies becoming infested with Wall Street / McKinley Consultant profit-chasers. Toyota and Hyundai might as well be run by the CEO of GM, the way they build their vehicles. But a lot of the new Indian and Chinese vehicles are adhering to more traditional modular manufacturing style. They're also having a really hard time getting their vehicles into Western dominated car-markets, for some curious reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Agreed 100 percent. I’ve never touched anything Chinese so I’m clueless there, but from what I’ve seen they are quite far ahead in the EV front. It’s a shame we don’t get the good stuff that Toyota still makes in Australia permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yep. Like Tesla with its large castings. Makes the cars unrepairable. EV’s are the worst at this too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a big reason for the surge in popularity of Japanese cars, during the 80s/90s. Honda Civics were famously very easy to mod, leading to the trend of "Rice Rocket" cheap urban street racing cars. That's fallen off substantially in the last ten years, thanks to Japanese companies becoming infested with Wall Street / McKinley Consultant profit-chasers. Toyota and Hyundai might as well be run by the CEO of GM, the way they build their vehicles. But a lot of the new Indian and Chinese vehicles are adhering to more traditional modular manufacturing style. They're also having a really hard time getting their vehicles into Western dominated car-markets, for some curious reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Agreed 100 percent. I’ve never touched anything Chinese so I’m clueless there, but from what I’ve seen they are quite far ahead in the EV front. It’s a shame we don’t get the good stuff that Toyota still makes in Australia permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) It was a big reason for the surge in popularity of Japanese cars, during the 80s/90s. Honda Civics were famously very easy to mod, leading to the trend of "Rice Rocket" cheap urban street racing cars. That's fallen off substantially in the last ten years, thanks to Japanese companies becoming infested with Wall Street / McKinley Consultant profit-chasers. Toyota and Hyundai might as well be run by the CEO of GM, the way they build their vehicles. But a lot of the new Indian and Chinese vehicles are adhering to more traditional modular manufacturing style. They're also having a really hard time getting their vehicles into Western dominated car-markets, for some curious reason. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Agreed 100 percent. I’ve never touched anything Chinese so I’m clueless there, but from what I’ve seen they are quite far ahead in the EV front. It’s a shame we don’t get the good stuff that Toyota still makes in Australia permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Agreed 100 percent. I’ve never touched anything Chinese so I’m clueless there, but from what I’ve seen they are quite far ahead in the EV front. It’s a shame we don’t get the good stuff that Toyota still makes in Australia permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tibi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago True, but even electrical vehicles need lubrication, cooling, breaking fluids etc. I'm expecting that, as EVs become more common, the car maintenance industry will catch up. permalink fedilink source parent