▲ 262 ▼ Yevgeny Prigozhin on passenger list of plane in fatal crash, says Russia (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to c/world@lemmy.world 32 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 67 points 2 years ago (6 children) I have two hypothesis to what might have happened: Putin got to him, but instead of falling out of a window he fell from the sky Prigozhin stages his own death so he could escape with at least some of his money to somewhere in Africa or South America permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] ricecooker@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) some more ideass: Prigozhin was already dead when he was put on the airplane Russians procured 10 more random dead bodies to throw on the airplane completely fake story, Prigozhin is detained in prison somewhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago I know you're just spitballing but putin wouldn't go through that much effort. I think he'd much rather just kill him for real. Prigozhin filmed the Africa video earlier, then returned to Russia for some reason, and released the video claiming to be in Africa as misdirection. Putin got some good intel on Prigozhin's plane and took the opportunity to shoot it down and stop the next rebellion before it starts permalink fedilink source parent [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 years ago (2 children) putin got him, 100%. both wagner and ru mod have reported that priggo is dead, and you don't just randomly fire a SAM at a civilian jet look at what happened to any other nationalist critic of kremlin: tatarsky is dead, girkin is in prison, surovikin is under "house arrest", now prigozhin and utkin are also dead, and some others, like rybar, were told to toe the line or else and they complied permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) you don't just randomly fire a SAM at a civilian jet Unless you're Russia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago this one was 100% intentional. these two other were also intentional, just misguided, it takes several steps to fire a SAM, it does not happen through an accident (bar missile defence, but there are few civilian planes with size of missile, travelling at the speed of missile) permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago There's a whole list of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents permalink fedilink source parent [–] timespace@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Source for it being a SAM? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago early claim by wagner telegram channel, and also what makes the most sense since entire wing was blown off could be something else, but options are limited permalink fedilink source parent [–] sab@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) If it's #2, I wonder if he'll still be watching over his back for ice picks for the rest of his life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago If it's #2 he's absolutely going nowhere near a window on the fifth floor of any building. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Trashcanman@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m in the option 2 camp. While it is entirely possible that he really did die I’m skeptical and think this is some sort of plan of his. I don’t mean to sound conspiratorial but it’s so hard to believe anything reported by Russia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) they already found his body, both ru authorities and wagner says that prigozhin and utkin are dead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They say they found his body. Can't trust the Kremlin or Wagner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) kremlin and wagner are on opposite sides there, and they say the same thing putin wanted to show very publicly what happens to traitors, and he did. this is the simplest explanation here; maybe it's delayed response for mutiny, in which case the only unusual thing is why it happened so late. or maybe it's gerasimov's decision, or someone else's in high command, in which case it's more of an happy accident for putin if it's what you say, wagner and kremlin or army cooperated for what reason exactly? so that prigozhin can command what is effectively russian colonies in africa, while not allowed ever to get into limelight? putin wanted control over this and over pmc, he tried to get there before, and now it'll be much easier permalink fedilink source parent [–] Khalic@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) #3 Prigozhin was not on board, Wagner command knows, so no uprising, and Putin looks like he had him assassinated. Optics preserved ... I might need some sleep permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I can't help but wonder if that whole thing was Putin using Prigozhin to flush out traitors and tempt Ukraine to attack before they were ready. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Im gonna go with #2. Whole story sounds too easy and too convenient to be anything else. Give it a few months and you will find this guy eating ice cream in Florida like that Brazilian President permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ricecooker@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) some more ideass: Prigozhin was already dead when he was put on the airplane Russians procured 10 more random dead bodies to throw on the airplane completely fake story, Prigozhin is detained in prison somewhere permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago I know you're just spitballing but putin wouldn't go through that much effort. I think he'd much rather just kill him for real. Prigozhin filmed the Africa video earlier, then returned to Russia for some reason, and released the video claiming to be in Africa as misdirection. Putin got some good intel on Prigozhin's plane and took the opportunity to shoot it down and stop the next rebellion before it starts permalink fedilink source parent
[–] STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago I know you're just spitballing but putin wouldn't go through that much effort. I think he'd much rather just kill him for real. Prigozhin filmed the Africa video earlier, then returned to Russia for some reason, and released the video claiming to be in Africa as misdirection. Putin got some good intel on Prigozhin's plane and took the opportunity to shoot it down and stop the next rebellion before it starts permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 years ago (2 children) putin got him, 100%. both wagner and ru mod have reported that priggo is dead, and you don't just randomly fire a SAM at a civilian jet look at what happened to any other nationalist critic of kremlin: tatarsky is dead, girkin is in prison, surovikin is under "house arrest", now prigozhin and utkin are also dead, and some others, like rybar, were told to toe the line or else and they complied permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) you don't just randomly fire a SAM at a civilian jet Unless you're Russia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago this one was 100% intentional. these two other were also intentional, just misguided, it takes several steps to fire a SAM, it does not happen through an accident (bar missile defence, but there are few civilian planes with size of missile, travelling at the speed of missile) permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago There's a whole list of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents permalink fedilink source parent [–] timespace@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Source for it being a SAM? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago early claim by wagner telegram channel, and also what makes the most sense since entire wing was blown off could be something else, but options are limited permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) you don't just randomly fire a SAM at a civilian jet Unless you're Russia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago this one was 100% intentional. these two other were also intentional, just misguided, it takes several steps to fire a SAM, it does not happen through an accident (bar missile defence, but there are few civilian planes with size of missile, travelling at the speed of missile) permalink fedilink source parent [–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago There's a whole list of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 years ago this one was 100% intentional. these two other were also intentional, just misguided, it takes several steps to fire a SAM, it does not happen through an accident (bar missile defence, but there are few civilian planes with size of missile, travelling at the speed of missile) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago There's a whole list of them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents permalink fedilink source parent
[–] timespace@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Source for it being a SAM? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago early claim by wagner telegram channel, and also what makes the most sense since entire wing was blown off could be something else, but options are limited permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago early claim by wagner telegram channel, and also what makes the most sense since entire wing was blown off could be something else, but options are limited permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sab@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) If it's #2, I wonder if he'll still be watching over his back for ice picks for the rest of his life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago If it's #2 he's absolutely going nowhere near a window on the fifth floor of any building. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago If it's #2 he's absolutely going nowhere near a window on the fifth floor of any building. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Trashcanman@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m in the option 2 camp. While it is entirely possible that he really did die I’m skeptical and think this is some sort of plan of his. I don’t mean to sound conspiratorial but it’s so hard to believe anything reported by Russia permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) they already found his body, both ru authorities and wagner says that prigozhin and utkin are dead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They say they found his body. Can't trust the Kremlin or Wagner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) kremlin and wagner are on opposite sides there, and they say the same thing putin wanted to show very publicly what happens to traitors, and he did. this is the simplest explanation here; maybe it's delayed response for mutiny, in which case the only unusual thing is why it happened so late. or maybe it's gerasimov's decision, or someone else's in high command, in which case it's more of an happy accident for putin if it's what you say, wagner and kremlin or army cooperated for what reason exactly? so that prigozhin can command what is effectively russian colonies in africa, while not allowed ever to get into limelight? putin wanted control over this and over pmc, he tried to get there before, and now it'll be much easier permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) they already found his body, both ru authorities and wagner says that prigozhin and utkin are dead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They say they found his body. Can't trust the Kremlin or Wagner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) kremlin and wagner are on opposite sides there, and they say the same thing putin wanted to show very publicly what happens to traitors, and he did. this is the simplest explanation here; maybe it's delayed response for mutiny, in which case the only unusual thing is why it happened so late. or maybe it's gerasimov's decision, or someone else's in high command, in which case it's more of an happy accident for putin if it's what you say, wagner and kremlin or army cooperated for what reason exactly? so that prigozhin can command what is effectively russian colonies in africa, while not allowed ever to get into limelight? putin wanted control over this and over pmc, he tried to get there before, and now it'll be much easier permalink fedilink source parent
[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They say they found his body. Can't trust the Kremlin or Wagner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) kremlin and wagner are on opposite sides there, and they say the same thing putin wanted to show very publicly what happens to traitors, and he did. this is the simplest explanation here; maybe it's delayed response for mutiny, in which case the only unusual thing is why it happened so late. or maybe it's gerasimov's decision, or someone else's in high command, in which case it's more of an happy accident for putin if it's what you say, wagner and kremlin or army cooperated for what reason exactly? so that prigozhin can command what is effectively russian colonies in africa, while not allowed ever to get into limelight? putin wanted control over this and over pmc, he tried to get there before, and now it'll be much easier permalink fedilink source parent
[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) kremlin and wagner are on opposite sides there, and they say the same thing putin wanted to show very publicly what happens to traitors, and he did. this is the simplest explanation here; maybe it's delayed response for mutiny, in which case the only unusual thing is why it happened so late. or maybe it's gerasimov's decision, or someone else's in high command, in which case it's more of an happy accident for putin if it's what you say, wagner and kremlin or army cooperated for what reason exactly? so that prigozhin can command what is effectively russian colonies in africa, while not allowed ever to get into limelight? putin wanted control over this and over pmc, he tried to get there before, and now it'll be much easier permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Khalic@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) #3 Prigozhin was not on board, Wagner command knows, so no uprising, and Putin looks like he had him assassinated. Optics preserved ... I might need some sleep permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I can't help but wonder if that whole thing was Putin using Prigozhin to flush out traitors and tempt Ukraine to attack before they were ready. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I can't help but wonder if that whole thing was Putin using Prigozhin to flush out traitors and tempt Ukraine to attack before they were ready. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Im gonna go with #2. Whole story sounds too easy and too convenient to be anything else. Give it a few months and you will find this guy eating ice cream in Florida like that Brazilian President permalink fedilink source parent