▲ 511 ▼ Leaked Documents Reveal How Google Search Gatekeeps the Internet (gizmodo.com) submitted 2 years ago by 0nekoneko7@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 64 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] _sideffect@lemmy.world 91 points 2 years ago (1 child) We all need to stop using this as our default search engine permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (13 children) What do you suggest? Because even Mozilla uses Google for its search. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] KeefChief13@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Duck duck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Which is just bing with a few extra editorial changes that aren't really transparent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KeefChief13@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) What do you use? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Only recently started using searngx. I would love to see more search engines implement their own indexing and ranking, instead of relying on other engines. But I am aware that making a good search engine is hard. Even with all their flaws, google and Bing still have the best results, which is why most other engines rely on their results. permalink fedilink source parent [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago I also wanted to mention that DDG doesn't really say what editorial changes they make to the results. I would like to see more transparency. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1984@lemmy.today 19 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Kagi... It's so good you forget Google. And what do you mean "even mozilla"... There are money deals between these Google and mozilla. Google pays mozilla a lot of money to set Google as default search. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago It is so good that when I use Google on someone else's computer, I'm surprised at how bad Google has become. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Salix@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago* (2 children) It's a paid service, so it'd be a bad default for a web browser. Not saying it's a bad search engine; saying that it's a bad search engine default for the every day folk who just installed a web browser. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago I agree. I would recommend duckduckgo for a free search engine. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://searx.neocities.org/ Right click the address bar to add it to your search bar permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auzas_1337@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I’ve been using Searx for a couple of weeks now. It seems to be working well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AncientMariner@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago As the default as it pays for web development. You can change this to DuckDuckGo in settings and I strongly recommend that you do. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you don't mind having to occasionally refresh the page due to search engine timeout, a public Searxng metasearch engine. I use one just to straight up bypass having to go to any specific search engine. Also allows me to see results from both gøøg|e and b*ng without having to go to either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks sound interesting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago https://searx.space/ has a listing with responsetime for the sites. i use www.gruble.de, has worked without issue for the last month or so. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago I really like startpage, but I'm pretty sure it's just Google with some tweaks permalink fedilink source parent [–] BobaFett26@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Kagi. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zrybew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Bruh, it asks for login. No thanks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why don’t you google it? /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Lol absolutely it's the only way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Napain@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago startpage, had the Best results for me in the last couple of months, much better then google. and the anonymous view feature is handy and neat permalink fedilink source parent [–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I'm using qwant as my default now. It does well for most searches, but for map related things I still use google. permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org -2 points 2 years ago Well since google is the whale, anything but google would work to reduce their market power. permalink fedilink source parent [+] aCosmicWave@lemm.ee -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) I know Lemmy likes to hate on AI, but my default search engine is http://perplexity.ai and it’s great permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) According to Perplexity, that's just Google Search with some OpenAI sprinkled on top... So yeah, I'm gonna hate on it lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aCosmicWave@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) What I like about it is that it's trained on lots of different sources (including, but not limited to Google, and Bing search results). It then strips out the ads, SEO blog spam, and other nonsense and tries to return the most relevant info for my query. It is leagues better than pure Google. Also, it uses its own LLM unrelated to OpenAI. A bit unfortunate that I got downvoted for having an opinion and sharing it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gt5@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago You are part of the problem permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (13 children) What do you suggest? Because even Mozilla uses Google for its search. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] KeefChief13@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Duck duck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Which is just bing with a few extra editorial changes that aren't really transparent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KeefChief13@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) What do you use? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Only recently started using searngx. I would love to see more search engines implement their own indexing and ranking, instead of relying on other engines. But I am aware that making a good search engine is hard. Even with all their flaws, google and Bing still have the best results, which is why most other engines rely on their results. permalink fedilink source parent [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago I also wanted to mention that DDG doesn't really say what editorial changes they make to the results. I would like to see more transparency. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1984@lemmy.today 19 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Kagi... It's so good you forget Google. And what do you mean "even mozilla"... There are money deals between these Google and mozilla. Google pays mozilla a lot of money to set Google as default search. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago It is so good that when I use Google on someone else's computer, I'm surprised at how bad Google has become. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Salix@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago* (2 children) It's a paid service, so it'd be a bad default for a web browser. Not saying it's a bad search engine; saying that it's a bad search engine default for the every day folk who just installed a web browser. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago I agree. I would recommend duckduckgo for a free search engine. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://searx.neocities.org/ Right click the address bar to add it to your search bar permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auzas_1337@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I’ve been using Searx for a couple of weeks now. It seems to be working well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AncientMariner@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago As the default as it pays for web development. You can change this to DuckDuckGo in settings and I strongly recommend that you do. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you don't mind having to occasionally refresh the page due to search engine timeout, a public Searxng metasearch engine. I use one just to straight up bypass having to go to any specific search engine. Also allows me to see results from both gøøg|e and b*ng without having to go to either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks sound interesting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago https://searx.space/ has a listing with responsetime for the sites. i use www.gruble.de, has worked without issue for the last month or so. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago I really like startpage, but I'm pretty sure it's just Google with some tweaks permalink fedilink source parent [–] BobaFett26@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Kagi. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zrybew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Bruh, it asks for login. No thanks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why don’t you google it? /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Lol absolutely it's the only way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Napain@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago startpage, had the Best results for me in the last couple of months, much better then google. and the anonymous view feature is handy and neat permalink fedilink source parent [–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I'm using qwant as my default now. It does well for most searches, but for map related things I still use google. permalink fedilink source parent [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org -2 points 2 years ago Well since google is the whale, anything but google would work to reduce their market power. permalink fedilink source parent [+] aCosmicWave@lemm.ee -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) I know Lemmy likes to hate on AI, but my default search engine is http://perplexity.ai and it’s great permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) According to Perplexity, that's just Google Search with some OpenAI sprinkled on top... So yeah, I'm gonna hate on it lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aCosmicWave@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) What I like about it is that it's trained on lots of different sources (including, but not limited to Google, and Bing search results). It then strips out the ads, SEO blog spam, and other nonsense and tries to return the most relevant info for my query. It is leagues better than pure Google. Also, it uses its own LLM unrelated to OpenAI. A bit unfortunate that I got downvoted for having an opinion and sharing it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gt5@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago You are part of the problem permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KeefChief13@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Duck duck? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Which is just bing with a few extra editorial changes that aren't really transparent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KeefChief13@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) What do you use? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Only recently started using searngx. I would love to see more search engines implement their own indexing and ranking, instead of relying on other engines. But I am aware that making a good search engine is hard. Even with all their flaws, google and Bing still have the best results, which is why most other engines rely on their results. permalink fedilink source parent [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago I also wanted to mention that DDG doesn't really say what editorial changes they make to the results. I would like to see more transparency. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Which is just bing with a few extra editorial changes that aren't really transparent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KeefChief13@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) What do you use? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Only recently started using searngx. I would love to see more search engines implement their own indexing and ranking, instead of relying on other engines. But I am aware that making a good search engine is hard. Even with all their flaws, google and Bing still have the best results, which is why most other engines rely on their results. permalink fedilink source parent [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago I also wanted to mention that DDG doesn't really say what editorial changes they make to the results. I would like to see more transparency. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KeefChief13@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) What do you use? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Only recently started using searngx. I would love to see more search engines implement their own indexing and ranking, instead of relying on other engines. But I am aware that making a good search engine is hard. Even with all their flaws, google and Bing still have the best results, which is why most other engines rely on their results. permalink fedilink source parent [–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago I also wanted to mention that DDG doesn't really say what editorial changes they make to the results. I would like to see more transparency. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago Only recently started using searngx. I would love to see more search engines implement their own indexing and ranking, instead of relying on other engines. But I am aware that making a good search engine is hard. Even with all their flaws, google and Bing still have the best results, which is why most other engines rely on their results. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago I also wanted to mention that DDG doesn't really say what editorial changes they make to the results. I would like to see more transparency. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1984@lemmy.today 19 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Kagi... It's so good you forget Google. And what do you mean "even mozilla"... There are money deals between these Google and mozilla. Google pays mozilla a lot of money to set Google as default search. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago It is so good that when I use Google on someone else's computer, I'm surprised at how bad Google has become. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Salix@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago* (2 children) It's a paid service, so it'd be a bad default for a web browser. Not saying it's a bad search engine; saying that it's a bad search engine default for the every day folk who just installed a web browser. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago I agree. I would recommend duckduckgo for a free search engine. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago It is so good that when I use Google on someone else's computer, I'm surprised at how bad Google has become. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Salix@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago* (2 children) It's a paid service, so it'd be a bad default for a web browser. Not saying it's a bad search engine; saying that it's a bad search engine default for the every day folk who just installed a web browser. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago I agree. I would recommend duckduckgo for a free search engine. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 2 years ago I agree. I would recommend duckduckgo for a free search engine. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Scolding7300@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://searx.neocities.org/ Right click the address bar to add it to your search bar permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] auzas_1337@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I’ve been using Searx for a couple of weeks now. It seems to be working well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] auzas_1337@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago I’ve been using Searx for a couple of weeks now. It seems to be working well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AncientMariner@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago As the default as it pays for web development. You can change this to DuckDuckGo in settings and I strongly recommend that you do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you don't mind having to occasionally refresh the page due to search engine timeout, a public Searxng metasearch engine. I use one just to straight up bypass having to go to any specific search engine. Also allows me to see results from both gøøg|e and b*ng without having to go to either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks sound interesting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago https://searx.space/ has a listing with responsetime for the sites. i use www.gruble.de, has worked without issue for the last month or so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Thanks sound interesting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago https://searx.space/ has a listing with responsetime for the sites. i use www.gruble.de, has worked without issue for the last month or so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago https://searx.space/ has a listing with responsetime for the sites. i use www.gruble.de, has worked without issue for the last month or so. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago I really like startpage, but I'm pretty sure it's just Google with some tweaks permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BobaFett26@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Kagi. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zrybew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Bruh, it asks for login. No thanks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zrybew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Bruh, it asks for login. No thanks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why don’t you google it? /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Lol absolutely it's the only way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Lol absolutely it's the only way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Napain@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago startpage, had the Best results for me in the last couple of months, much better then google. and the anonymous view feature is handy and neat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I'm using qwant as my default now. It does well for most searches, but for map related things I still use google. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] granolabar@kbin.melroy.org -2 points 2 years ago Well since google is the whale, anything but google would work to reduce their market power. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] aCosmicWave@lemm.ee -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) I know Lemmy likes to hate on AI, but my default search engine is http://perplexity.ai and it’s great permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) According to Perplexity, that's just Google Search with some OpenAI sprinkled on top... So yeah, I'm gonna hate on it lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aCosmicWave@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) What I like about it is that it's trained on lots of different sources (including, but not limited to Google, and Bing search results). It then strips out the ads, SEO blog spam, and other nonsense and tries to return the most relevant info for my query. It is leagues better than pure Google. Also, it uses its own LLM unrelated to OpenAI. A bit unfortunate that I got downvoted for having an opinion and sharing it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gt5@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago You are part of the problem permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) According to Perplexity, that's just Google Search with some OpenAI sprinkled on top... So yeah, I'm gonna hate on it lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] aCosmicWave@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) What I like about it is that it's trained on lots of different sources (including, but not limited to Google, and Bing search results). It then strips out the ads, SEO blog spam, and other nonsense and tries to return the most relevant info for my query. It is leagues better than pure Google. Also, it uses its own LLM unrelated to OpenAI. A bit unfortunate that I got downvoted for having an opinion and sharing it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aCosmicWave@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) What I like about it is that it's trained on lots of different sources (including, but not limited to Google, and Bing search results). It then strips out the ads, SEO blog spam, and other nonsense and tries to return the most relevant info for my query. It is leagues better than pure Google. Also, it uses its own LLM unrelated to OpenAI. A bit unfortunate that I got downvoted for having an opinion and sharing it. permalink fedilink source parent