▲ 537 ▼ Israel sharpens its tone to Spain: "The Inquisition is over. Those who harm us, we will harm them" (www.elnacional.cat) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 207 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 40 points 2 years ago (1 child) As long as the US backs them up they feel invincible. I'm sure the nukes help, too. They're like Russia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah and if they start attacking NATO countries it's going to end badly for them. The US will drop support like a hot rock. They really won't like it I'm sure, but they are not going to back Israel over NATO, it's just not happening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) well israel has attacked a nato country before to no consequence. The United States. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Do you mean that oopsie with the USS Liberty? That kind of thing happens occasionally but cooler heads prevail as long as everyone communicates. There was also an incident when a Turkish f-16 (Turkey being a NATO member) shot down a Russian su-24, but nobody went to war over it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Point stands - Israel attacking a NATO nation wouldn’t cause american support to waver. Israel serves our colonial interests too much for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes I'm just saying that if the sides (even if they are enemies like Russia/NATO) are not interested in going to war, they will tolerate isolated incidents. even with casualties. This isn't something unique to the america-israel relationship permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just being a pedant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What do you mean Israel in the United States have never had a conflict between them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Referencing this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident?wprov=sfti1 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yeah, not a conflict. And so long ago that the current political situation is totally different. The US wouldn't have a choice, if Israel attacks a NATO country then it's article 5 automatically. Then their only option would be to leave NATO and they're not going to do that. You are not arguing in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Okay man. Note that nowhere in the comment chain before you decided to chime in did anyone say conflict. And as far as I know, an attack is an attack and it usually warrants retaliation. But Israel gets unlimited oopsies, lord forbid that Egypt or Lebanon does this, it’s immediately casus belli if the current governments aren’t friendly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hglman@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago Will they? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah and if they start attacking NATO countries it's going to end badly for them. The US will drop support like a hot rock. They really won't like it I'm sure, but they are not going to back Israel over NATO, it's just not happening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) well israel has attacked a nato country before to no consequence. The United States. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Do you mean that oopsie with the USS Liberty? That kind of thing happens occasionally but cooler heads prevail as long as everyone communicates. There was also an incident when a Turkish f-16 (Turkey being a NATO member) shot down a Russian su-24, but nobody went to war over it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Point stands - Israel attacking a NATO nation wouldn’t cause american support to waver. Israel serves our colonial interests too much for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes I'm just saying that if the sides (even if they are enemies like Russia/NATO) are not interested in going to war, they will tolerate isolated incidents. even with casualties. This isn't something unique to the america-israel relationship permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just being a pedant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What do you mean Israel in the United States have never had a conflict between them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Referencing this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident?wprov=sfti1 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yeah, not a conflict. And so long ago that the current political situation is totally different. The US wouldn't have a choice, if Israel attacks a NATO country then it's article 5 automatically. Then their only option would be to leave NATO and they're not going to do that. You are not arguing in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Okay man. Note that nowhere in the comment chain before you decided to chime in did anyone say conflict. And as far as I know, an attack is an attack and it usually warrants retaliation. But Israel gets unlimited oopsies, lord forbid that Egypt or Lebanon does this, it’s immediately casus belli if the current governments aren’t friendly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] hglman@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago Will they? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children) well israel has attacked a nato country before to no consequence. The United States. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Do you mean that oopsie with the USS Liberty? That kind of thing happens occasionally but cooler heads prevail as long as everyone communicates. There was also an incident when a Turkish f-16 (Turkey being a NATO member) shot down a Russian su-24, but nobody went to war over it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Point stands - Israel attacking a NATO nation wouldn’t cause american support to waver. Israel serves our colonial interests too much for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes I'm just saying that if the sides (even if they are enemies like Russia/NATO) are not interested in going to war, they will tolerate isolated incidents. even with casualties. This isn't something unique to the america-israel relationship permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just being a pedant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What do you mean Israel in the United States have never had a conflict between them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Referencing this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident?wprov=sfti1 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yeah, not a conflict. And so long ago that the current political situation is totally different. The US wouldn't have a choice, if Israel attacks a NATO country then it's article 5 automatically. Then their only option would be to leave NATO and they're not going to do that. You are not arguing in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Okay man. Note that nowhere in the comment chain before you decided to chime in did anyone say conflict. And as far as I know, an attack is an attack and it usually warrants retaliation. But Israel gets unlimited oopsies, lord forbid that Egypt or Lebanon does this, it’s immediately casus belli if the current governments aren’t friendly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Do you mean that oopsie with the USS Liberty? That kind of thing happens occasionally but cooler heads prevail as long as everyone communicates. There was also an incident when a Turkish f-16 (Turkey being a NATO member) shot down a Russian su-24, but nobody went to war over it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Point stands - Israel attacking a NATO nation wouldn’t cause american support to waver. Israel serves our colonial interests too much for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes I'm just saying that if the sides (even if they are enemies like Russia/NATO) are not interested in going to war, they will tolerate isolated incidents. even with casualties. This isn't something unique to the america-israel relationship permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just being a pedant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Point stands - Israel attacking a NATO nation wouldn’t cause american support to waver. Israel serves our colonial interests too much for that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes I'm just saying that if the sides (even if they are enemies like Russia/NATO) are not interested in going to war, they will tolerate isolated incidents. even with casualties. This isn't something unique to the america-israel relationship permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just being a pedant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes I'm just saying that if the sides (even if they are enemies like Russia/NATO) are not interested in going to war, they will tolerate isolated incidents. even with casualties. This isn't something unique to the america-israel relationship permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just being a pedant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just being a pedant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nomous@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just being a pedant then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] machineLearner@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What do you mean Israel in the United States have never had a conflict between them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Referencing this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident?wprov=sfti1 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yeah, not a conflict. And so long ago that the current political situation is totally different. The US wouldn't have a choice, if Israel attacks a NATO country then it's article 5 automatically. Then their only option would be to leave NATO and they're not going to do that. You are not arguing in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Okay man. Note that nowhere in the comment chain before you decided to chime in did anyone say conflict. And as far as I know, an attack is an attack and it usually warrants retaliation. But Israel gets unlimited oopsies, lord forbid that Egypt or Lebanon does this, it’s immediately casus belli if the current governments aren’t friendly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Referencing this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident?wprov=sfti1 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yeah, not a conflict. And so long ago that the current political situation is totally different. The US wouldn't have a choice, if Israel attacks a NATO country then it's article 5 automatically. Then their only option would be to leave NATO and they're not going to do that. You are not arguing in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Okay man. Note that nowhere in the comment chain before you decided to chime in did anyone say conflict. And as far as I know, an attack is an attack and it usually warrants retaliation. But Israel gets unlimited oopsies, lord forbid that Egypt or Lebanon does this, it’s immediately casus belli if the current governments aren’t friendly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Yeah, not a conflict. And so long ago that the current political situation is totally different. The US wouldn't have a choice, if Israel attacks a NATO country then it's article 5 automatically. Then their only option would be to leave NATO and they're not going to do that. You are not arguing in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Okay man. Note that nowhere in the comment chain before you decided to chime in did anyone say conflict. And as far as I know, an attack is an attack and it usually warrants retaliation. But Israel gets unlimited oopsies, lord forbid that Egypt or Lebanon does this, it’s immediately casus belli if the current governments aren’t friendly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] machineLearner@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Okay man. Note that nowhere in the comment chain before you decided to chime in did anyone say conflict. And as far as I know, an attack is an attack and it usually warrants retaliation. But Israel gets unlimited oopsies, lord forbid that Egypt or Lebanon does this, it’s immediately casus belli if the current governments aren’t friendly. permalink fedilink source parent