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US intelligence report says China likely supplying tech for Russian military (www.reuters.com)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/794993

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[–] -4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I know the implication here is that "maoist lemmygrad tankies" are so gross they give you diarrhea but it really comes off as "I get stress diarrhia reading left wing content online" which isn't very flattering.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    That's not my hill to die on, but what exactly about authoritarian ethno states scratching each other's back makes it "left wing"?

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This guy is a typical lemmygrad user spouting off bullshit tankie talking points. Don't even bother.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    A woman from hexbear actually. Not everyone on the internet is a man, you can afford to not be sexist and stop perceiving man as the default. I hope reading my conditional defense of historical and existing somewhat successful socialist projects hasn't given you too much diarrhea.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    The USSR famously subsidized and gave autonomy to the non Russian SSRs. Russofication was obviously a problem but much less of a problem than during the monarchy or the post union capitalist state. There is a reason why the non Russian SSRs voted at higher rates than the Russian SSR to stay in the USSR during the referendum before the illegitimate dissolution of the soviet union.

    https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1920/11/13.htm

    China famously exempted all ethnic minorities from the one child policy.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah but we are today, and I fail to see what's actually "left wing" about the present situation. Is Russia (a fascist kleptocracy) being helped by China (state capitalist and only communist in name) somehow contributing to spreading socialism ideals? In retrospect that was maybe a rhetorical question.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    (state capitalist and only communist in name)

    I would read an English translation of "On the Governance of China" as well as this https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

    Even Lenin acknowledged that you can't get rid of capitalism quickly, and China started from an even worse position than the USSR.

    Empires competing and creating multipolarity benefits China, other socialist nations, and the imperial periphery looking to break free. Keep in mind that mao's three worlds theory is a major influence on some socialist factions in China, even if it is reductionist. Russia maintaining strength to challenge the US(including if it comes through a defeat or truce in ukraine)(note that China is pushing for a truce which would maintain Russia's ability to defend itself from NATO better, but supplying them to maintain their strength) is a good thing in their calculus, and I haven't seen any compelling rebuttals to it.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Realistically, China, as an hegemony seeking super power, would do the same thing no matter what century and flavor of autocratic regime is at the helm at that particular time. No need to make it more than what it is, really.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    as an hegemony seeking super power

    Citation needed.

    Also you didn't really respond to anything said.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    as an hegemony seeking super power

    Citation needed.

    Have you ever listen to the CCP's rhetoric? Especially Xi's neo-traditionnalism and "restoring China's just place at the center of the world".

    Also you didn’t really respond to anything said.

    And neither did you, you were off-topic from the get go.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 years ago*

    Have you ever listen to the CCP’s rhetoric? Especially Xi’s neo-traditionnalism and “restoring China’s just place at the center of the world”.

    When China historically was the "center of the world" did they exert imperial hegemony over the rest of the known world?

    This is a rhetorical question, because they didn't.

    When you look at the way China has been making itself "center of the world" you'll note the lack of imperialism in their policy. They do not rely on financial and military control in foreign countries the way empires do.

    And neither did you, you were off-topic from the get go.

    You were claiming they weren't left wing and were state capitalist, I was addressing that misconception. Did you just try to say this as a "no you!"?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Except I am anarcho-syndicalist and aggressively socially left-wing. But I will never understand anyone that holds China or Russia in anything approaching high regard.
    Edit: And, no. My comment didn't come across as that. You obviously just wanted to read it as such.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Except I am anarcho-syndicalist and aggressively socially left-wing

    If youre still specifying social and economic policy as seperate in this context than you've still got a lot more reading and political development to do as a leftist.

    But I will never understand anyone that holds China or Russia in anything approaching high regard.

    The soviet union defeated the Nazis, and China is defeating the US primarily through peaceful means Both massively improved quality of life and political rights. If those aren't things to be conditionally admirable about as a leftist than you seem a very strange leftist.

    Edit: And, no. My comment didn’t come across as that. You obviously just wanted to read it as such.

    Please explain how "reading socialist comments gives me diarrhia" should be taken.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Well, you're blatantly wrong about political freedom in China (seriously? LOL). Also, the Soviet Union alone didn't defeat the Nazis so fuck off with your tankie revisionist history. You seriously have no clue what you're talking about.
    Furthermore, because you've outed yourself as a tankie, this conversation is over. I will not engage with the likes of you, a pseudointellectual.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Well, you’re blatantly wrong about political freedom in China

    Oh, were they better under the KMT or the colonial Japanese? Gotta say bud, your coming off as not very historically literate.

    Also, the Soviet Union alone didn’t defeat the Nazis so fuck off with your tankie revisionist history.

    Didn't say they did. They just spearheaded it, being responsible for 80 percent of german casualties, and losing 26 million people for their troubles. Britain or the US wouldn't have been able to defeat the nazis by themselves. Continental Europe would still be the third reich without those dastardly tankies.

    Furthermore, because you’ve outed yourself as a tankie, this conversation is over. I will not engage with the likes of you, a pseudointellectual.

    From the towering intellect that thought the KMT or the colonial Japanese provided more rights than the PRC.

    Also "outed myself"? Really? That sure implies revealing deception, and I've been nothing but open and honest about my views.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Nuance is for good countries like the USA, UK and Australia. With them you can say when they fall short of their ideals that they are trying. With evil countries like the USSR or China they don't deserve historical understanding or nuance so it's either perfect or terrible, clearly.

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