▲ 884 ▼ Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly (programming.dev) submitted 2 years ago by pro_grammer@programming.dev to c/steam@lemmy.ml 282 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 112 points 2 years ago (2 children) https://hackertalks.com/comment/3633295 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ranoss@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago I do not think enough people are aware of the limits to who can make the newly required accounts. permalink fedilink source parent [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -250 points 2 years ago (4 children) So for those who can’t have a PSN account the failure was on them for buying the game anyway, since it was included on the store page, terms, and shows up on launch. Now, I agree they should get a refund if it locks them out the game. For the rest of the caterwauling, what will they do when Steam denies their refund after playing 200hours? Boycott Steam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 127 points 2 years ago File support tickets directly with Arrowhead https://arrowhead.zendesk.com/hc/en-us File a complaint with your local government body, I believe in Australia it is illegal to break a game after the fact. To substantially change how it runs to hold it hostage. But even in other jurisdictions, even 1, 000 disgruntled gamers filing small claims against arrowhead would consume an outsized amount of resources to respond to. Make noise, be disgruntled, don't play the game, file a negative review, create busy work for the perpetrators. They're stealing time and money from you, it's fair to do it to them. But legally permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (1 child) You really are a dick permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -134 points 2 years ago (6 children) I’ve been called worse by better people. People who don’t read things that they are agreeing to and then complain they don’t like it after the fact should take the lesson and move on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (1 child) If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp "accept terms and conditions" and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases. Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile... The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (1 child) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don't get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago Hold on let me just slip a note that says "you agree to give up your rights" in to the computers my clients buy, that means I'm covered right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* "the failure was on them for buying the game anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago I'm with you buddy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 31 points 2 years ago terms, It's not in either terms linked on the steam store page. There's no mention of a requirement to use PSN's networks or to link your steam and PSN account in either EULA. It's ONLY the banner on the steam page. And nothing in game makes it clear that skipping the login is only a temporary thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Guuuuuuys... stop being mean to corporations! Didn't you watch the HR video that says we are family? /$ (If only they knew how shitty, exploitative and gaslighting my family is and how correct they are) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "We're all in this together" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ranoss@lemmy.world 75 points 2 years ago I do not think enough people are aware of the limits to who can make the newly required accounts. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -250 points 2 years ago (4 children) So for those who can’t have a PSN account the failure was on them for buying the game anyway, since it was included on the store page, terms, and shows up on launch. Now, I agree they should get a refund if it locks them out the game. For the rest of the caterwauling, what will they do when Steam denies their refund after playing 200hours? Boycott Steam? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] jet@hackertalks.com 127 points 2 years ago File support tickets directly with Arrowhead https://arrowhead.zendesk.com/hc/en-us File a complaint with your local government body, I believe in Australia it is illegal to break a game after the fact. To substantially change how it runs to hold it hostage. But even in other jurisdictions, even 1, 000 disgruntled gamers filing small claims against arrowhead would consume an outsized amount of resources to respond to. Make noise, be disgruntled, don't play the game, file a negative review, create busy work for the perpetrators. They're stealing time and money from you, it's fair to do it to them. But legally permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (1 child) You really are a dick permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -134 points 2 years ago (6 children) I’ve been called worse by better people. People who don’t read things that they are agreeing to and then complain they don’t like it after the fact should take the lesson and move on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (1 child) If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp "accept terms and conditions" and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases. Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile... The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (1 child) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don't get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago Hold on let me just slip a note that says "you agree to give up your rights" in to the computers my clients buy, that means I'm covered right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* "the failure was on them for buying the game anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago I'm with you buddy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 31 points 2 years ago terms, It's not in either terms linked on the steam store page. There's no mention of a requirement to use PSN's networks or to link your steam and PSN account in either EULA. It's ONLY the banner on the steam page. And nothing in game makes it clear that skipping the login is only a temporary thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Guuuuuuys... stop being mean to corporations! Didn't you watch the HR video that says we are family? /$ (If only they knew how shitty, exploitative and gaslighting my family is and how correct they are) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "We're all in this together" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jet@hackertalks.com 127 points 2 years ago File support tickets directly with Arrowhead https://arrowhead.zendesk.com/hc/en-us File a complaint with your local government body, I believe in Australia it is illegal to break a game after the fact. To substantially change how it runs to hold it hostage. But even in other jurisdictions, even 1, 000 disgruntled gamers filing small claims against arrowhead would consume an outsized amount of resources to respond to. Make noise, be disgruntled, don't play the game, file a negative review, create busy work for the perpetrators. They're stealing time and money from you, it's fair to do it to them. But legally permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dog_@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (1 child) You really are a dick permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -134 points 2 years ago (6 children) I’ve been called worse by better people. People who don’t read things that they are agreeing to and then complain they don’t like it after the fact should take the lesson and move on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (1 child) If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp "accept terms and conditions" and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases. Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile... The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (1 child) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don't get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago Hold on let me just slip a note that says "you agree to give up your rights" in to the computers my clients buy, that means I'm covered right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* "the failure was on them for buying the game anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago I'm with you buddy. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -134 points 2 years ago (6 children) I’ve been called worse by better people. People who don’t read things that they are agreeing to and then complain they don’t like it after the fact should take the lesson and move on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (1 child) If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp "accept terms and conditions" and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases. Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile... The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (1 child) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don't get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent [–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago Hold on let me just slip a note that says "you agree to give up your rights" in to the computers my clients buy, that means I'm covered right? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dog_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* "the failure was on them for buying the game anyway" permalink fedilink source parent [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago I'm with you buddy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (1 child) If your replying to this thread on mobile, I would like to remind you that you never read the EULA to your phone either (this would have taken several hours for android and slightly less for iOS) . You just saw the blurp "accept terms and conditions" and moved on with your life like everyone else did. There is no expectation to read usage contracts for small, non-bussiness purchases. Also, your opposition to this discourse is futile... The ball is in Sony/Arrowheads court. We will see if they compromise with players in eastern europe, or double down to become the next Battlefront 2 (pride and accomplishment yall!). As for me, ill let the paint dry and move on if I feel they resolved this poorly. Lets see if EDF6 can stick the landing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (1 child) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] KillerTofu@lemmy.world -47 points 2 years ago (1 child) It wasn’t hidden in some legalese riddled document. It was listed on the store page on the right side where they put all the requirements for outside accounts. I get there are people who don’t want to have to install other launchers and make other accounts, but it was there. To complain that they are now enforcing it when it was obviously disclosed and claim it was a bait and switch are wrong. Should they have sold it to countries Sony doesn’t serve? Obviously not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] NecroParagon@lemm.ee -9 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago So to be clear: this is not an argument for the requirement to be logged in to PSN. At no point are you arguing any value or purpose to it. As such, it's also not an argument against the negative reviews. Even if "people should have known before purchasing it" if the negative reviews are because of the PSN requirement, that is still valid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) In general, even as a company, in most of the civilized world, you don't get to just write stuff in some ToS and fuck around. Consumer protection agencies do care about this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 years ago Sorry, on page 10,782 it says that if you don’t make a PSN account you have to become a slave. You signed it! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 years ago Hold on let me just slip a note that says "you agree to give up your rights" in to the computers my clients buy, that means I'm covered right? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Here is the lesson i take out of it - if buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dog_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* "the failure was on them for buying the game anyway" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 31 points 2 years ago terms, It's not in either terms linked on the steam store page. There's no mention of a requirement to use PSN's networks or to link your steam and PSN account in either EULA. It's ONLY the banner on the steam page. And nothing in game makes it clear that skipping the login is only a temporary thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Guuuuuuys... stop being mean to corporations! Didn't you watch the HR video that says we are family? /$ (If only they knew how shitty, exploitative and gaslighting my family is and how correct they are) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "We're all in this together" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago "We're all in this together" permalink fedilink source parent