▲ 604 ▼ ByteDance won't sell TikTok, would rather pull it from the US (www.androidauthority.com) submitted 2 years ago by Dragxito@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 189 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] eldavi@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago The tiktok algorithm is good in the same sense that cocaine is good. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago Is it good or do they just have a massive network and data advantage. If tik tok left and everyone switched over to Instagram reels or YouTube shorts and they had the same amount of data tik tok has I think the experience would converge to whatever was on tik tok in a month or so. There's no secret sauce to tik tok, they're throwing massive amounts of data at a recommendation AI and telling it to optimize for watch time, any sufficiently scaled company can do that nowadays. It's more a matter of getting and maintaining an audience to create that data and content creators, both of which due to the network effect, and without federation, are drawn to the biggest service, not necessarily to the best. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jaybone@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I love how the media has thrown around the word algorithm. They don’t need to sell their algorithm for a competitor to compete. An algorithm produces some result output. So you could easily clone an algorithm without knowing its exact implementation. Maybe I know quicksort, but you know mergesort. The customer doesn’t give a fuck which algorithm was used, so long as it’s sorted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bamboo@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is a bad take. Yes, “algorithm” is a vague term, but it’s incorrect to suggest that they’re easily cloned. These algorithms are what makes social media companies. Without them, they wouldn’t have the same kind of user engagement. It’s why, outside of the fediverse, social media companies try to hide or demote linear timelines. It’s why they pour most of the R&D money into the recommendation algorithms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But that’s not really an algorithm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] eldavi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That was my original point. The media and hence business / management use this term (incorrectly) They could just say IP, or platform, or service, or implementation. But I guess saying algorithm makes everyone sound smart. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sailingbythelee@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago The tiktok algorithm is good in the same sense that cocaine is good. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago Is it good or do they just have a massive network and data advantage. If tik tok left and everyone switched over to Instagram reels or YouTube shorts and they had the same amount of data tik tok has I think the experience would converge to whatever was on tik tok in a month or so. There's no secret sauce to tik tok, they're throwing massive amounts of data at a recommendation AI and telling it to optimize for watch time, any sufficiently scaled company can do that nowadays. It's more a matter of getting and maintaining an audience to create that data and content creators, both of which due to the network effect, and without federation, are drawn to the biggest service, not necessarily to the best. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jaybone@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I love how the media has thrown around the word algorithm. They don’t need to sell their algorithm for a competitor to compete. An algorithm produces some result output. So you could easily clone an algorithm without knowing its exact implementation. Maybe I know quicksort, but you know mergesort. The customer doesn’t give a fuck which algorithm was used, so long as it’s sorted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bamboo@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is a bad take. Yes, “algorithm” is a vague term, but it’s incorrect to suggest that they’re easily cloned. These algorithms are what makes social media companies. Without them, they wouldn’t have the same kind of user engagement. It’s why, outside of the fediverse, social media companies try to hide or demote linear timelines. It’s why they pour most of the R&D money into the recommendation algorithms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But that’s not really an algorithm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] eldavi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That was my original point. The media and hence business / management use this term (incorrectly) They could just say IP, or platform, or service, or implementation. But I guess saying algorithm makes everyone sound smart. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bamboo@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is a bad take. Yes, “algorithm” is a vague term, but it’s incorrect to suggest that they’re easily cloned. These algorithms are what makes social media companies. Without them, they wouldn’t have the same kind of user engagement. It’s why, outside of the fediverse, social media companies try to hide or demote linear timelines. It’s why they pour most of the R&D money into the recommendation algorithms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But that’s not really an algorithm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] eldavi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That was my original point. The media and hence business / management use this term (incorrectly) They could just say IP, or platform, or service, or implementation. But I guess saying algorithm makes everyone sound smart. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jaybone@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But that’s not really an algorithm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] eldavi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That was my original point. The media and hence business / management use this term (incorrectly) They could just say IP, or platform, or service, or implementation. But I guess saying algorithm makes everyone sound smart. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] eldavi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jaybone@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That was my original point. The media and hence business / management use this term (incorrectly) They could just say IP, or platform, or service, or implementation. But I guess saying algorithm makes everyone sound smart. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That was my original point. The media and hence business / management use this term (incorrectly) They could just say IP, or platform, or service, or implementation. But I guess saying algorithm makes everyone sound smart. permalink fedilink source parent