▲ 552 ▼ Ohio teen dubbed 'hell on wheels' after killing her boyfriend and his friend in a crash is sentenced to 15 years to life (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 2 years ago by 18_24_61_b_17_17_4@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 212 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 125 points 2 years ago (3 children) During the investigation, she asked if they could just suspend her license for 10 years “I just killed two people with a car, so I think being forced to use Uber for a decade is an appropriate sentence.” permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Overzeetop@kbin.social 146 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's a shame she's not a male athlete with a promising swimming career. Might have gotten off with having to take a remedial driving course and paid a small fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kitten_Mittens@lemmy.world 129 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Oh! You’re talking about the sexual predator/rapist Brock Turner, who now goes by the name Allen Turner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 73 points 2 years ago (1 child) You do mean Brock Allen Turner who was indicted five charges: two for rape, two for felony sexual assault, and one for attempted rape? This all happened on January 18, 2015. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) That'd be the same convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner that was last seen near Dayton OH, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Comment105@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's good to see on lemmy that people are we continuing the tradition of reminding readers of rapist Brock Turner aka. Allen Turner, the creep who got off ridiculously easy in a uniquely egregious violation of justice. He shall not find the peace the judge wanted to grant him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago May he find piss. In his food. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Yes, and apparently just bought a house right by the university and a major bike path, and has been seen out at bars in the area. What a fucking predator. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sigh_Bafanada@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago This is one Reddit trend that Lemmy should absolutely continue permalink fedilink source parent [+] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Honestly, if she hadn’t threaded to kill her boyfriend with her car before this happened, then I think suspending her license for a decade or two or may be life would be the right solution. Prison shouldn’t be a punishment, but a way to keep everyone else safe from dangerous people. If she won’t drive, then she isn’t a danger. But it sounds like she’s dangerous no matter what. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] derpo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* Agreed. I wish the USA had this point of view, but instead we do view it as an oubliette to put people we dont like / are too poor permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but mercy and rehabilitation should not come at the expense of the innocent. Plus, when I think rehabilitating people in jail, I'm thinking of nonviolent offenses. Premeditated murder isn't on my list of crimes I think someone can come back from, not when it's like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Someone in prison getting the help and rehabilitation they need are not a threat to “the innocent” Well yes, that's my point. They're in prison. They should have access to rehabilitation and high quality psychiatric care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] themajesticdodo@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm personally pretty happy with letting cunts like this swiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Elderos@lemmings.world 4 points 2 years ago Prison helps keep people safe, create deterrent, prevents vigilantism. Rehabilitation is the humane thing to do, but it is not why we isolate criminals. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wollang@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) The trial featured surveillance video played in court showing the moment Shirilla accelerated towards the building without stopping, until a gut-wrenching crash is heard. Anyone capable of doing this deserves prison time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago Agreed. We know she did it on purpose and is a dangerous person in general, not just a careless or even reckless driver. She needs to be in prison to keep us safe. Shes different than someone who is merely a bad driver, or even a reckless driver who just needs to be kept out of a car to keep everyone around them safe. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yeah this is exactly why there's the option to try a minor as an adult. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tedesche@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Prison shouldn’t be a punishment Yes, it absolutely should be. I can't stand people who think the criminal justice system shouldn't dole out punishments, but should only aim to rehabilitate people. You folks have absolutely no empathy for victims. Punishments are important, because criminals cause suffering to other people. The entire concept of justice is based on the idea that criminals should suffer at least a modicum of the harm they do to others as payment for their crimes. Over the centuries, we have done away with the "eye for an eye" model of punishment and decided that the worst sentences we can hand down are execution and life in prison, and most people today aren't actually in favor of execution. Spending your life in prison is a slap on the wrist compared to being murdered. I'm sure this girl could be rehabilitated within a few years. Under your model, she'd walk free while the parents and siblings of her victims were still trying to recover mentally from what she did to their families. Your lack of empathy for them is repugnant. You should feel ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheProtagonist@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Seems like you are blending the concepts of punishment and that of revenge. While a criminal, who’s crime has been proved in court should absolutely be punished for the crimes he/she committed according to the corresponding law, the sentences should not be led or even influenced by the feeling of “taking revenge for the victims”, because that’s not what a punishment should be about. I guess this is one of the main differences between judicial systems and their underlying philosophies in the US and in Europe. While in the US the state can kill / execute some person, because this person has killed another person, that would be unthinkable in Europe, because the state does not have such a “right” and killing / executing a murderer would also be a crime against that person’s life. European systems are more driven by the idea of “resocialising” criminals, so that they could eventually become acceptable members of society again some day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago The US's sense of justice is very much informed by the widespread belief in a deity that requires people to conflate cruelty and love. permalink fedilink source parent [–] themajesticdodo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Dude. She murdered two men. That's a dangerous individual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago No one said she wasn't. But there is a difference between punishment and revenge. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago You think she will be the same person in 15 years? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 2 years ago Yeah! Instead the victims should be forced to pay for the perpetrator to live with free meals and housing for decades rather than attempting to treat the core of the issue if at all possible and turning these people ideally into healthy contributors to society as fast as humanely possible! That definitely helps the victims! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uber? Omg that's horrendous! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago Better than a nasty ass public e scooter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Overzeetop@kbin.social 146 points 2 years ago (2 children) It's a shame she's not a male athlete with a promising swimming career. Might have gotten off with having to take a remedial driving course and paid a small fine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kitten_Mittens@lemmy.world 129 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Oh! You’re talking about the sexual predator/rapist Brock Turner, who now goes by the name Allen Turner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 73 points 2 years ago (1 child) You do mean Brock Allen Turner who was indicted five charges: two for rape, two for felony sexual assault, and one for attempted rape? This all happened on January 18, 2015. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) That'd be the same convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner that was last seen near Dayton OH, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Comment105@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's good to see on lemmy that people are we continuing the tradition of reminding readers of rapist Brock Turner aka. Allen Turner, the creep who got off ridiculously easy in a uniquely egregious violation of justice. He shall not find the peace the judge wanted to grant him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago May he find piss. In his food. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Yes, and apparently just bought a house right by the university and a major bike path, and has been seen out at bars in the area. What a fucking predator. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sigh_Bafanada@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago This is one Reddit trend that Lemmy should absolutely continue permalink fedilink source parent [+] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kitten_Mittens@lemmy.world 129 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Oh! You’re talking about the sexual predator/rapist Brock Turner, who now goes by the name Allen Turner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 73 points 2 years ago (1 child) You do mean Brock Allen Turner who was indicted five charges: two for rape, two for felony sexual assault, and one for attempted rape? This all happened on January 18, 2015. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) That'd be the same convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner that was last seen near Dayton OH, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Comment105@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's good to see on lemmy that people are we continuing the tradition of reminding readers of rapist Brock Turner aka. Allen Turner, the creep who got off ridiculously easy in a uniquely egregious violation of justice. He shall not find the peace the judge wanted to grant him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago May he find piss. In his food. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Yes, and apparently just bought a house right by the university and a major bike path, and has been seen out at bars in the area. What a fucking predator. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sigh_Bafanada@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago This is one Reddit trend that Lemmy should absolutely continue permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 73 points 2 years ago (1 child) You do mean Brock Allen Turner who was indicted five charges: two for rape, two for felony sexual assault, and one for attempted rape? This all happened on January 18, 2015. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) That'd be the same convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner that was last seen near Dayton OH, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Comment105@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's good to see on lemmy that people are we continuing the tradition of reminding readers of rapist Brock Turner aka. Allen Turner, the creep who got off ridiculously easy in a uniquely egregious violation of justice. He shall not find the peace the judge wanted to grant him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago May he find piss. In his food. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Yes, and apparently just bought a house right by the university and a major bike path, and has been seen out at bars in the area. What a fucking predator. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) That'd be the same convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner that was last seen near Dayton OH, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Comment105@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's good to see on lemmy that people are we continuing the tradition of reminding readers of rapist Brock Turner aka. Allen Turner, the creep who got off ridiculously easy in a uniquely egregious violation of justice. He shall not find the peace the judge wanted to grant him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago May he find piss. In his food. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Yes, and apparently just bought a house right by the university and a major bike path, and has been seen out at bars in the area. What a fucking predator. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's good to see on lemmy that people are we continuing the tradition of reminding readers of rapist Brock Turner aka. Allen Turner, the creep who got off ridiculously easy in a uniquely egregious violation of justice. He shall not find the peace the judge wanted to grant him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago May he find piss. In his food. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago May he find piss. In his food. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Yes, and apparently just bought a house right by the university and a major bike path, and has been seen out at bars in the area. What a fucking predator. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sigh_Bafanada@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago This is one Reddit trend that Lemmy should absolutely continue permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) Honestly, if she hadn’t threaded to kill her boyfriend with her car before this happened, then I think suspending her license for a decade or two or may be life would be the right solution. Prison shouldn’t be a punishment, but a way to keep everyone else safe from dangerous people. If she won’t drive, then she isn’t a danger. But it sounds like she’s dangerous no matter what. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] derpo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* Agreed. I wish the USA had this point of view, but instead we do view it as an oubliette to put people we dont like / are too poor permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but mercy and rehabilitation should not come at the expense of the innocent. Plus, when I think rehabilitating people in jail, I'm thinking of nonviolent offenses. Premeditated murder isn't on my list of crimes I think someone can come back from, not when it's like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Someone in prison getting the help and rehabilitation they need are not a threat to “the innocent” Well yes, that's my point. They're in prison. They should have access to rehabilitation and high quality psychiatric care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] themajesticdodo@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm personally pretty happy with letting cunts like this swiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Elderos@lemmings.world 4 points 2 years ago Prison helps keep people safe, create deterrent, prevents vigilantism. Rehabilitation is the humane thing to do, but it is not why we isolate criminals. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wollang@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) The trial featured surveillance video played in court showing the moment Shirilla accelerated towards the building without stopping, until a gut-wrenching crash is heard. Anyone capable of doing this deserves prison time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago Agreed. We know she did it on purpose and is a dangerous person in general, not just a careless or even reckless driver. She needs to be in prison to keep us safe. Shes different than someone who is merely a bad driver, or even a reckless driver who just needs to be kept out of a car to keep everyone around them safe. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yeah this is exactly why there's the option to try a minor as an adult. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Tedesche@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Prison shouldn’t be a punishment Yes, it absolutely should be. I can't stand people who think the criminal justice system shouldn't dole out punishments, but should only aim to rehabilitate people. You folks have absolutely no empathy for victims. Punishments are important, because criminals cause suffering to other people. The entire concept of justice is based on the idea that criminals should suffer at least a modicum of the harm they do to others as payment for their crimes. Over the centuries, we have done away with the "eye for an eye" model of punishment and decided that the worst sentences we can hand down are execution and life in prison, and most people today aren't actually in favor of execution. Spending your life in prison is a slap on the wrist compared to being murdered. I'm sure this girl could be rehabilitated within a few years. Under your model, she'd walk free while the parents and siblings of her victims were still trying to recover mentally from what she did to their families. Your lack of empathy for them is repugnant. You should feel ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheProtagonist@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Seems like you are blending the concepts of punishment and that of revenge. While a criminal, who’s crime has been proved in court should absolutely be punished for the crimes he/she committed according to the corresponding law, the sentences should not be led or even influenced by the feeling of “taking revenge for the victims”, because that’s not what a punishment should be about. I guess this is one of the main differences between judicial systems and their underlying philosophies in the US and in Europe. While in the US the state can kill / execute some person, because this person has killed another person, that would be unthinkable in Europe, because the state does not have such a “right” and killing / executing a murderer would also be a crime against that person’s life. European systems are more driven by the idea of “resocialising” criminals, so that they could eventually become acceptable members of society again some day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago The US's sense of justice is very much informed by the widespread belief in a deity that requires people to conflate cruelty and love. permalink fedilink source parent [–] themajesticdodo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Dude. She murdered two men. That's a dangerous individual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago No one said she wasn't. But there is a difference between punishment and revenge. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago You think she will be the same person in 15 years? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 2 years ago Yeah! Instead the victims should be forced to pay for the perpetrator to live with free meals and housing for decades rather than attempting to treat the core of the issue if at all possible and turning these people ideally into healthy contributors to society as fast as humanely possible! That definitely helps the victims! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] derpo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* Agreed. I wish the USA had this point of view, but instead we do view it as an oubliette to put people we dont like / are too poor permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but mercy and rehabilitation should not come at the expense of the innocent. Plus, when I think rehabilitating people in jail, I'm thinking of nonviolent offenses. Premeditated murder isn't on my list of crimes I think someone can come back from, not when it's like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Someone in prison getting the help and rehabilitation they need are not a threat to “the innocent” Well yes, that's my point. They're in prison. They should have access to rehabilitation and high quality psychiatric care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] themajesticdodo@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm personally pretty happy with letting cunts like this swiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Elderos@lemmings.world 4 points 2 years ago Prison helps keep people safe, create deterrent, prevents vigilantism. Rehabilitation is the humane thing to do, but it is not why we isolate criminals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derpo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* Agreed. I wish the USA had this point of view, but instead we do view it as an oubliette to put people we dont like / are too poor permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but mercy and rehabilitation should not come at the expense of the innocent. Plus, when I think rehabilitating people in jail, I'm thinking of nonviolent offenses. Premeditated murder isn't on my list of crimes I think someone can come back from, not when it's like this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Someone in prison getting the help and rehabilitation they need are not a threat to “the innocent” Well yes, that's my point. They're in prison. They should have access to rehabilitation and high quality psychiatric care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] themajesticdodo@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm personally pretty happy with letting cunts like this swiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Someone in prison getting the help and rehabilitation they need are not a threat to “the innocent” Well yes, that's my point. They're in prison. They should have access to rehabilitation and high quality psychiatric care. permalink fedilink source parent [–] themajesticdodo@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm personally pretty happy with letting cunts like this swiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Someone in prison getting the help and rehabilitation they need are not a threat to “the innocent” Well yes, that's my point. They're in prison. They should have access to rehabilitation and high quality psychiatric care. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themajesticdodo@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago I'm personally pretty happy with letting cunts like this swiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Elderos@lemmings.world 4 points 2 years ago Prison helps keep people safe, create deterrent, prevents vigilantism. Rehabilitation is the humane thing to do, but it is not why we isolate criminals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wollang@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) The trial featured surveillance video played in court showing the moment Shirilla accelerated towards the building without stopping, until a gut-wrenching crash is heard. Anyone capable of doing this deserves prison time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago Agreed. We know she did it on purpose and is a dangerous person in general, not just a careless or even reckless driver. She needs to be in prison to keep us safe. Shes different than someone who is merely a bad driver, or even a reckless driver who just needs to be kept out of a car to keep everyone around them safe. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yeah this is exactly why there's the option to try a minor as an adult. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago Agreed. We know she did it on purpose and is a dangerous person in general, not just a careless or even reckless driver. She needs to be in prison to keep us safe. Shes different than someone who is merely a bad driver, or even a reckless driver who just needs to be kept out of a car to keep everyone around them safe. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Yeah this is exactly why there's the option to try a minor as an adult. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Tedesche@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Prison shouldn’t be a punishment Yes, it absolutely should be. I can't stand people who think the criminal justice system shouldn't dole out punishments, but should only aim to rehabilitate people. You folks have absolutely no empathy for victims. Punishments are important, because criminals cause suffering to other people. The entire concept of justice is based on the idea that criminals should suffer at least a modicum of the harm they do to others as payment for their crimes. Over the centuries, we have done away with the "eye for an eye" model of punishment and decided that the worst sentences we can hand down are execution and life in prison, and most people today aren't actually in favor of execution. Spending your life in prison is a slap on the wrist compared to being murdered. I'm sure this girl could be rehabilitated within a few years. Under your model, she'd walk free while the parents and siblings of her victims were still trying to recover mentally from what she did to their families. Your lack of empathy for them is repugnant. You should feel ashamed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TheProtagonist@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Seems like you are blending the concepts of punishment and that of revenge. While a criminal, who’s crime has been proved in court should absolutely be punished for the crimes he/she committed according to the corresponding law, the sentences should not be led or even influenced by the feeling of “taking revenge for the victims”, because that’s not what a punishment should be about. I guess this is one of the main differences between judicial systems and their underlying philosophies in the US and in Europe. While in the US the state can kill / execute some person, because this person has killed another person, that would be unthinkable in Europe, because the state does not have such a “right” and killing / executing a murderer would also be a crime against that person’s life. European systems are more driven by the idea of “resocialising” criminals, so that they could eventually become acceptable members of society again some day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago The US's sense of justice is very much informed by the widespread belief in a deity that requires people to conflate cruelty and love. permalink fedilink source parent [–] themajesticdodo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Dude. She murdered two men. That's a dangerous individual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago No one said she wasn't. But there is a difference between punishment and revenge. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago You think she will be the same person in 15 years? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 2 years ago Yeah! Instead the victims should be forced to pay for the perpetrator to live with free meals and housing for decades rather than attempting to treat the core of the issue if at all possible and turning these people ideally into healthy contributors to society as fast as humanely possible! That definitely helps the victims! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheProtagonist@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Seems like you are blending the concepts of punishment and that of revenge. While a criminal, who’s crime has been proved in court should absolutely be punished for the crimes he/she committed according to the corresponding law, the sentences should not be led or even influenced by the feeling of “taking revenge for the victims”, because that’s not what a punishment should be about. I guess this is one of the main differences between judicial systems and their underlying philosophies in the US and in Europe. While in the US the state can kill / execute some person, because this person has killed another person, that would be unthinkable in Europe, because the state does not have such a “right” and killing / executing a murderer would also be a crime against that person’s life. European systems are more driven by the idea of “resocialising” criminals, so that they could eventually become acceptable members of society again some day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago The US's sense of justice is very much informed by the widespread belief in a deity that requires people to conflate cruelty and love. permalink fedilink source parent [–] themajesticdodo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Dude. She murdered two men. That's a dangerous individual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago No one said she wasn't. But there is a difference between punishment and revenge. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago You think she will be the same person in 15 years? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago The US's sense of justice is very much informed by the widespread belief in a deity that requires people to conflate cruelty and love. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themajesticdodo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Dude. She murdered two men. That's a dangerous individual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago No one said she wasn't. But there is a difference between punishment and revenge. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago You think she will be the same person in 15 years? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dragonflyteaparty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago No one said she wasn't. But there is a difference between punishment and revenge. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago You think she will be the same person in 15 years? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squirrelanna@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 2 years ago Yeah! Instead the victims should be forced to pay for the perpetrator to live with free meals and housing for decades rather than attempting to treat the core of the issue if at all possible and turning these people ideally into healthy contributors to society as fast as humanely possible! That definitely helps the victims! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Uber? Omg that's horrendous! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago Better than a nasty ass public e scooter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago Better than a nasty ass public e scooter. permalink fedilink source parent