▲ 1464 ▼ It's time to mentally prepare yourselves for this (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev 252 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] puppy@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (2 children) Did you just describe timezones? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (2 children) I think they're proposing personal time zones, where every individual's clock shows their precise solar time, and nobody ever manages to be on time to work ever again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] towerful@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Good god, imagine 360 timezones to describe each longitude. Each timezone would be 4 minutes, and span roughly 56 miles (tho, that's different as you get nearer the poles). For the majority of things, it would be fine. Most appointments etc that are "booked" verbally would likely be within 56 miles, where "casual" time would work. Anything beyond that feels like a "significant" thing, which would probably involve written/digital communication - where computers could pick up the slack for translation. And EVERYONE would be aware of timezones. So, even Microsoft/Excel would have to recognise that timezones are a real thing. So, probably not that bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago that's basically why timezones were created. before then, every town had its own local time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I'm imagining something more fluid, where the time it is depends on exactly where you're standing and the position of the sun in relation to it. You'd need to factor the direction you're traveling as well as the distance whenever you went anywhere. We'd have a lot more intimate relationship with our current celestial situation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) close, there's a regional local solar time (you could just steal timezones for this one) and then there is global time, which is what we go by for everything. Local solar time is essentially just an offset to the global time for the relative nature of local time to global time. i like how whenever i mention this, people seem to think i want to get rid of time instead of timezones permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) What you're describing is LITERALLY the system we have. UTC is a global, coordinated time that tracks solar time to a precision of less than a second. As far as my computer is concerned, my time is UTC (technically GMT, but they both refer to the same time) minus 6 hours. We all could choose to say, "hey, wanna meet for dinner at 3AM?" and have that be a normal thing to say in my area, and an odd thing to say odd in Europe... but nobody wants that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago yeah, my problem is that nobody use UTC. And we have problems like gas pumps in finland breaking because they programmed timezones incorrectly. permalink fedilink source parent [+] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -19 points 2 years ago (3 children) the inverse of timezones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Glytch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) It really seems like you're just describing time zones. Or do you mean that we should be even more granular about it and have personal timezones that adjust depending on where we are on the globe? That just seems like timezones with extra steps permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) nope, i'm describing timezones, but instead of shifting time, we shift local solar time instead. You could call them timemaps or time offset mapping, on a more macro scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the same fucking thing. It is simultaneously 12:25am MDT and 6:25am GMT where I live. If you ask my computer what time it is, it knows it is 06:25:00-06:00. Two sides of the same coin buddy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago yes, except it's not the only time system we use, the primary time system we use is universal now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) How stoned are you right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) zero permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Damn me neither permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago damn, same. permalink fedilink source parent [–] puppy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can you give me an example with an example time and how 2 people in different countries would organise a meeting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) yeah, it's 12 00 in america, it's 12 00 literally anywhere else in the world, you show up at 12 and that's when the meeting happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So what are these offset's you mentioned? They are not used? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) they're used less frequently than timezones are now. Because the offsets only purpose is to show to explicit time of the local solar time, anywhere in the world. relative to your local solar time (which is not very useful.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your proposal is exactly how time is used at my work. All meetings are in GMT. You use the timezone time when thinking locally. Instead of everyone using GMT and timezones already, why should we introduce a while new concept? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) you say you already use this at work, but then say it's an entirely new concept. I don't think you've quite comprehended this properly. We are literally already doing it, there is no reason not to switch to it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We are using GMT + timezones. You are the one who opposed timezones and said you have a different approach. But yours is exactly like timezones. My question is that why should anyone switch to something "like" timezones when there are actual timezones? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) because the thing that is "like" timezones is fucking better, why else would you switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) how is it not better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (2 children) I think they're proposing personal time zones, where every individual's clock shows their precise solar time, and nobody ever manages to be on time to work ever again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] towerful@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Good god, imagine 360 timezones to describe each longitude. Each timezone would be 4 minutes, and span roughly 56 miles (tho, that's different as you get nearer the poles). For the majority of things, it would be fine. Most appointments etc that are "booked" verbally would likely be within 56 miles, where "casual" time would work. Anything beyond that feels like a "significant" thing, which would probably involve written/digital communication - where computers could pick up the slack for translation. And EVERYONE would be aware of timezones. So, even Microsoft/Excel would have to recognise that timezones are a real thing. So, probably not that bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago that's basically why timezones were created. before then, every town had its own local time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I'm imagining something more fluid, where the time it is depends on exactly where you're standing and the position of the sun in relation to it. You'd need to factor the direction you're traveling as well as the distance whenever you went anywhere. We'd have a lot more intimate relationship with our current celestial situation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) close, there's a regional local solar time (you could just steal timezones for this one) and then there is global time, which is what we go by for everything. Local solar time is essentially just an offset to the global time for the relative nature of local time to global time. i like how whenever i mention this, people seem to think i want to get rid of time instead of timezones permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) What you're describing is LITERALLY the system we have. UTC is a global, coordinated time that tracks solar time to a precision of less than a second. As far as my computer is concerned, my time is UTC (technically GMT, but they both refer to the same time) minus 6 hours. We all could choose to say, "hey, wanna meet for dinner at 3AM?" and have that be a normal thing to say in my area, and an odd thing to say odd in Europe... but nobody wants that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago yeah, my problem is that nobody use UTC. And we have problems like gas pumps in finland breaking because they programmed timezones incorrectly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] towerful@programming.dev 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Good god, imagine 360 timezones to describe each longitude. Each timezone would be 4 minutes, and span roughly 56 miles (tho, that's different as you get nearer the poles). For the majority of things, it would be fine. Most appointments etc that are "booked" verbally would likely be within 56 miles, where "casual" time would work. Anything beyond that feels like a "significant" thing, which would probably involve written/digital communication - where computers could pick up the slack for translation. And EVERYONE would be aware of timezones. So, even Microsoft/Excel would have to recognise that timezones are a real thing. So, probably not that bad permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago that's basically why timezones were created. before then, every town had its own local time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I'm imagining something more fluid, where the time it is depends on exactly where you're standing and the position of the sun in relation to it. You'd need to factor the direction you're traveling as well as the distance whenever you went anywhere. We'd have a lot more intimate relationship with our current celestial situation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago that's basically why timezones were created. before then, every town had its own local time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago I'm imagining something more fluid, where the time it is depends on exactly where you're standing and the position of the sun in relation to it. You'd need to factor the direction you're traveling as well as the distance whenever you went anywhere. We'd have a lot more intimate relationship with our current celestial situation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) close, there's a regional local solar time (you could just steal timezones for this one) and then there is global time, which is what we go by for everything. Local solar time is essentially just an offset to the global time for the relative nature of local time to global time. i like how whenever i mention this, people seem to think i want to get rid of time instead of timezones permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) What you're describing is LITERALLY the system we have. UTC is a global, coordinated time that tracks solar time to a precision of less than a second. As far as my computer is concerned, my time is UTC (technically GMT, but they both refer to the same time) minus 6 hours. We all could choose to say, "hey, wanna meet for dinner at 3AM?" and have that be a normal thing to say in my area, and an odd thing to say odd in Europe... but nobody wants that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago yeah, my problem is that nobody use UTC. And we have problems like gas pumps in finland breaking because they programmed timezones incorrectly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) What you're describing is LITERALLY the system we have. UTC is a global, coordinated time that tracks solar time to a precision of less than a second. As far as my computer is concerned, my time is UTC (technically GMT, but they both refer to the same time) minus 6 hours. We all could choose to say, "hey, wanna meet for dinner at 3AM?" and have that be a normal thing to say in my area, and an odd thing to say odd in Europe... but nobody wants that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago yeah, my problem is that nobody use UTC. And we have problems like gas pumps in finland breaking because they programmed timezones incorrectly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago yeah, my problem is that nobody use UTC. And we have problems like gas pumps in finland breaking because they programmed timezones incorrectly. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com -19 points 2 years ago (3 children) the inverse of timezones. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Glytch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) It really seems like you're just describing time zones. Or do you mean that we should be even more granular about it and have personal timezones that adjust depending on where we are on the globe? That just seems like timezones with extra steps permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) nope, i'm describing timezones, but instead of shifting time, we shift local solar time instead. You could call them timemaps or time offset mapping, on a more macro scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the same fucking thing. It is simultaneously 12:25am MDT and 6:25am GMT where I live. If you ask my computer what time it is, it knows it is 06:25:00-06:00. Two sides of the same coin buddy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago yes, except it's not the only time system we use, the primary time system we use is universal now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) How stoned are you right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) zero permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Damn me neither permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago damn, same. permalink fedilink source parent [–] puppy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can you give me an example with an example time and how 2 people in different countries would organise a meeting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) yeah, it's 12 00 in america, it's 12 00 literally anywhere else in the world, you show up at 12 and that's when the meeting happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So what are these offset's you mentioned? They are not used? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) they're used less frequently than timezones are now. Because the offsets only purpose is to show to explicit time of the local solar time, anywhere in the world. relative to your local solar time (which is not very useful.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your proposal is exactly how time is used at my work. All meetings are in GMT. You use the timezone time when thinking locally. Instead of everyone using GMT and timezones already, why should we introduce a while new concept? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) you say you already use this at work, but then say it's an entirely new concept. I don't think you've quite comprehended this properly. We are literally already doing it, there is no reason not to switch to it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We are using GMT + timezones. You are the one who opposed timezones and said you have a different approach. But yours is exactly like timezones. My question is that why should anyone switch to something "like" timezones when there are actual timezones? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) because the thing that is "like" timezones is fucking better, why else would you switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) how is it not better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) It really seems like you're just describing time zones. Or do you mean that we should be even more granular about it and have personal timezones that adjust depending on where we are on the globe? That just seems like timezones with extra steps permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) nope, i'm describing timezones, but instead of shifting time, we shift local solar time instead. You could call them timemaps or time offset mapping, on a more macro scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the same fucking thing. It is simultaneously 12:25am MDT and 6:25am GMT where I live. If you ask my computer what time it is, it knows it is 06:25:00-06:00. Two sides of the same coin buddy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago yes, except it's not the only time system we use, the primary time system we use is universal now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) nope, i'm describing timezones, but instead of shifting time, we shift local solar time instead. You could call them timemaps or time offset mapping, on a more macro scale. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the same fucking thing. It is simultaneously 12:25am MDT and 6:25am GMT where I live. If you ask my computer what time it is, it knows it is 06:25:00-06:00. Two sides of the same coin buddy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago yes, except it's not the only time system we use, the primary time system we use is universal now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the same fucking thing. It is simultaneously 12:25am MDT and 6:25am GMT where I live. If you ask my computer what time it is, it knows it is 06:25:00-06:00. Two sides of the same coin buddy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago yes, except it's not the only time system we use, the primary time system we use is universal now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago yes, except it's not the only time system we use, the primary time system we use is universal now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) How stoned are you right now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) zero permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Damn me neither permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago damn, same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) zero permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Damn me neither permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago damn, same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rektdeckard@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Damn me neither permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago damn, same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago damn, same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] puppy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Can you give me an example with an example time and how 2 people in different countries would organise a meeting? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) yeah, it's 12 00 in america, it's 12 00 literally anywhere else in the world, you show up at 12 and that's when the meeting happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So what are these offset's you mentioned? They are not used? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) they're used less frequently than timezones are now. Because the offsets only purpose is to show to explicit time of the local solar time, anywhere in the world. relative to your local solar time (which is not very useful.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your proposal is exactly how time is used at my work. All meetings are in GMT. You use the timezone time when thinking locally. Instead of everyone using GMT and timezones already, why should we introduce a while new concept? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) you say you already use this at work, but then say it's an entirely new concept. I don't think you've quite comprehended this properly. We are literally already doing it, there is no reason not to switch to it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We are using GMT + timezones. You are the one who opposed timezones and said you have a different approach. But yours is exactly like timezones. My question is that why should anyone switch to something "like" timezones when there are actual timezones? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) because the thing that is "like" timezones is fucking better, why else would you switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) how is it not better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) yeah, it's 12 00 in america, it's 12 00 literally anywhere else in the world, you show up at 12 and that's when the meeting happens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So what are these offset's you mentioned? They are not used? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) they're used less frequently than timezones are now. Because the offsets only purpose is to show to explicit time of the local solar time, anywhere in the world. relative to your local solar time (which is not very useful.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your proposal is exactly how time is used at my work. All meetings are in GMT. You use the timezone time when thinking locally. Instead of everyone using GMT and timezones already, why should we introduce a while new concept? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) you say you already use this at work, but then say it's an entirely new concept. I don't think you've quite comprehended this properly. We are literally already doing it, there is no reason not to switch to it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We are using GMT + timezones. You are the one who opposed timezones and said you have a different approach. But yours is exactly like timezones. My question is that why should anyone switch to something "like" timezones when there are actual timezones? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) because the thing that is "like" timezones is fucking better, why else would you switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) how is it not better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) So what are these offset's you mentioned? They are not used? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) they're used less frequently than timezones are now. Because the offsets only purpose is to show to explicit time of the local solar time, anywhere in the world. relative to your local solar time (which is not very useful.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your proposal is exactly how time is used at my work. All meetings are in GMT. You use the timezone time when thinking locally. Instead of everyone using GMT and timezones already, why should we introduce a while new concept? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) you say you already use this at work, but then say it's an entirely new concept. I don't think you've quite comprehended this properly. We are literally already doing it, there is no reason not to switch to it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We are using GMT + timezones. You are the one who opposed timezones and said you have a different approach. But yours is exactly like timezones. My question is that why should anyone switch to something "like" timezones when there are actual timezones? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) because the thing that is "like" timezones is fucking better, why else would you switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) how is it not better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) they're used less frequently than timezones are now. Because the offsets only purpose is to show to explicit time of the local solar time, anywhere in the world. relative to your local solar time (which is not very useful.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your proposal is exactly how time is used at my work. All meetings are in GMT. You use the timezone time when thinking locally. Instead of everyone using GMT and timezones already, why should we introduce a while new concept? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) you say you already use this at work, but then say it's an entirely new concept. I don't think you've quite comprehended this properly. We are literally already doing it, there is no reason not to switch to it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We are using GMT + timezones. You are the one who opposed timezones and said you have a different approach. But yours is exactly like timezones. My question is that why should anyone switch to something "like" timezones when there are actual timezones? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) because the thing that is "like" timezones is fucking better, why else would you switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) how is it not better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your proposal is exactly how time is used at my work. All meetings are in GMT. You use the timezone time when thinking locally. Instead of everyone using GMT and timezones already, why should we introduce a while new concept? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) you say you already use this at work, but then say it's an entirely new concept. I don't think you've quite comprehended this properly. We are literally already doing it, there is no reason not to switch to it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We are using GMT + timezones. You are the one who opposed timezones and said you have a different approach. But yours is exactly like timezones. My question is that why should anyone switch to something "like" timezones when there are actual timezones? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) because the thing that is "like" timezones is fucking better, why else would you switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) how is it not better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) you say you already use this at work, but then say it's an entirely new concept. I don't think you've quite comprehended this properly. We are literally already doing it, there is no reason not to switch to it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We are using GMT + timezones. You are the one who opposed timezones and said you have a different approach. But yours is exactly like timezones. My question is that why should anyone switch to something "like" timezones when there are actual timezones? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) because the thing that is "like" timezones is fucking better, why else would you switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) how is it not better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We are using GMT + timezones. You are the one who opposed timezones and said you have a different approach. But yours is exactly like timezones. My question is that why should anyone switch to something "like" timezones when there are actual timezones? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) because the thing that is "like" timezones is fucking better, why else would you switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) how is it not better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) because the thing that is "like" timezones is fucking better, why else would you switch? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) how is it not better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) How is it better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) how is it not better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) how is it not better? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not better because your offset time is much granuler and hard to calculate in your mind than timezones. And it doesn't offer anything new over timezones. Since you suggested it, you must see a benefit. What is it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago what the fuck do you think timezones currently do? Are they just arbitrarily stuck to "maybe sometime close to local solar time" It could literally be equally as granular as existing timezones. You could just remap timezones to the offsets directly, hell even less granular because who cares. Just delete the half hour offsets. it's not adding anything new, that's not the point, in fact it's impossible to add something "new" to the concept of time, we've already defined it. It's an improved variant of timezones, where coordination is immediately more accessible, and less involved. It's explicitly less arbitrarily defined than the current timezones that we have no, because most of the time, you just wouldn't use them. permalink fedilink source parent