▲ -132 ▼ Why I no longer use a VPN (most of the time) and nor should you - YouTube (youtu.be) submitted 2 years ago* by possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip to c/privacy@lemmy.ml 64 comments fedilink hide all child comments Alternative https://inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=pp-INfssWBo
[–] minnix@lemux.minnix.dev 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) What was the reason? permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip [S] -15 points 2 years ago (2 children) VPNs are centralized entities that can monitor traffic in bulk permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) My ISP, who I pay $100/mo for internet, tells me straight up that it monetizes my browsing data. I pay $5 a month to a VPN that 'promises' it doesn't do that. Safer bet is the VPN. Even if they (VPN) sell my data, I prefer to spite the ISP anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) $100/mo?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago Yup. Small town USA. 1Gig down 25Megs up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see. Sure. There's a risk of course. But VPN companies are not legally obligated to collect and save your Internet usage data like your ISP is. So select a provider that doesn't, like Mullvad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip [S] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Your Internet traffic is encrypted. As for DNS it is a little harder but you can setup encrypted DNS as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your Internet traffic being encrypted is totally up to the site receiving your traffic or to the app on your phone sending it. And you still leave your metadata at your ISP, along with DNS. Sure you can always set up your own DNSSEC but the effort compared to just clicking "connect" in that VPN app is not even compareable. I can be private and anonymous without VPN - but a normal user? Just use VPN dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) A VPN is not a replacement for https and encrypted DNS. As far as your data goes it is encrypted via https. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Yeah... ok. Have a good day buddy permalink fedilink source parent [–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Have all the sites you visit rolled out ech so far? 'Cause otherwise it's enough for your ISP to notice you visiting fcriiff* to draw certain conclusions. * a reference to Cory Doctorow's "Radicalized". Mb anything your government doesn't want you to do, be it torrents, LGBT stuff, abortion clinics, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip [S] -15 points 2 years ago (2 children) VPNs are centralized entities that can monitor traffic in bulk permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) My ISP, who I pay $100/mo for internet, tells me straight up that it monetizes my browsing data. I pay $5 a month to a VPN that 'promises' it doesn't do that. Safer bet is the VPN. Even if they (VPN) sell my data, I prefer to spite the ISP anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) $100/mo?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago Yup. Small town USA. 1Gig down 25Megs up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see. Sure. There's a risk of course. But VPN companies are not legally obligated to collect and save your Internet usage data like your ISP is. So select a provider that doesn't, like Mullvad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip [S] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Your Internet traffic is encrypted. As for DNS it is a little harder but you can setup encrypted DNS as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your Internet traffic being encrypted is totally up to the site receiving your traffic or to the app on your phone sending it. And you still leave your metadata at your ISP, along with DNS. Sure you can always set up your own DNSSEC but the effort compared to just clicking "connect" in that VPN app is not even compareable. I can be private and anonymous without VPN - but a normal user? Just use VPN dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) A VPN is not a replacement for https and encrypted DNS. As far as your data goes it is encrypted via https. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Yeah... ok. Have a good day buddy permalink fedilink source parent [–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Have all the sites you visit rolled out ech so far? 'Cause otherwise it's enough for your ISP to notice you visiting fcriiff* to draw certain conclusions. * a reference to Cory Doctorow's "Radicalized". Mb anything your government doesn't want you to do, be it torrents, LGBT stuff, abortion clinics, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) My ISP, who I pay $100/mo for internet, tells me straight up that it monetizes my browsing data. I pay $5 a month to a VPN that 'promises' it doesn't do that. Safer bet is the VPN. Even if they (VPN) sell my data, I prefer to spite the ISP anyway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) $100/mo?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago Yup. Small town USA. 1Gig down 25Megs up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starman@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) $100/mo?! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago Yup. Small town USA. 1Gig down 25Megs up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago Yup. Small town USA. 1Gig down 25Megs up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) I see. Sure. There's a risk of course. But VPN companies are not legally obligated to collect and save your Internet usage data like your ISP is. So select a provider that doesn't, like Mullvad. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip [S] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Your Internet traffic is encrypted. As for DNS it is a little harder but you can setup encrypted DNS as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your Internet traffic being encrypted is totally up to the site receiving your traffic or to the app on your phone sending it. And you still leave your metadata at your ISP, along with DNS. Sure you can always set up your own DNSSEC but the effort compared to just clicking "connect" in that VPN app is not even compareable. I can be private and anonymous without VPN - but a normal user? Just use VPN dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) A VPN is not a replacement for https and encrypted DNS. As far as your data goes it is encrypted via https. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Yeah... ok. Have a good day buddy permalink fedilink source parent [–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Have all the sites you visit rolled out ech so far? 'Cause otherwise it's enough for your ISP to notice you visiting fcriiff* to draw certain conclusions. * a reference to Cory Doctorow's "Radicalized". Mb anything your government doesn't want you to do, be it torrents, LGBT stuff, abortion clinics, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip [S] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Your Internet traffic is encrypted. As for DNS it is a little harder but you can setup encrypted DNS as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your Internet traffic being encrypted is totally up to the site receiving your traffic or to the app on your phone sending it. And you still leave your metadata at your ISP, along with DNS. Sure you can always set up your own DNSSEC but the effort compared to just clicking "connect" in that VPN app is not even compareable. I can be private and anonymous without VPN - but a normal user? Just use VPN dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) A VPN is not a replacement for https and encrypted DNS. As far as your data goes it is encrypted via https. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Yeah... ok. Have a good day buddy permalink fedilink source parent [–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Have all the sites you visit rolled out ech so far? 'Cause otherwise it's enough for your ISP to notice you visiting fcriiff* to draw certain conclusions. * a reference to Cory Doctorow's "Radicalized". Mb anything your government doesn't want you to do, be it torrents, LGBT stuff, abortion clinics, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your Internet traffic being encrypted is totally up to the site receiving your traffic or to the app on your phone sending it. And you still leave your metadata at your ISP, along with DNS. Sure you can always set up your own DNSSEC but the effort compared to just clicking "connect" in that VPN app is not even compareable. I can be private and anonymous without VPN - but a normal user? Just use VPN dude. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) A VPN is not a replacement for https and encrypted DNS. As far as your data goes it is encrypted via https. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Yeah... ok. Have a good day buddy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) A VPN is not a replacement for https and encrypted DNS. As far as your data goes it is encrypted via https. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Yeah... ok. Have a good day buddy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0xtero@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago Yeah... ok. Have a good day buddy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fl42v@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago Have all the sites you visit rolled out ech so far? 'Cause otherwise it's enough for your ISP to notice you visiting fcriiff* to draw certain conclusions. * a reference to Cory Doctorow's "Radicalized". Mb anything your government doesn't want you to do, be it torrents, LGBT stuff, abortion clinics, etc. permalink fedilink source parent