▲ 658 ▼ Guns, Republicans and "manliness": We all suffer from the right's mental health crisis (www.salon.com) submitted 2 years ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 167 comments fedilink hide all child comments Republican men seem massively troubled about their masculinity — and that's literally causing death and suffering
[–] MacGuffin94@lemmy.world 96 points 2 years ago (7 children) One thing I've learned is that if you have to announce something about yourself, and announce it loudly and repeatedly, it's very much not true. permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 years ago (5 children) I've been told drinking coffee with cream or sugar isn't manly which I find funny, like who cares? We all have taste buds dude. IMO a "real" man isn't concerned about what others think, he is comfortable being himself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 32 points 2 years ago (3 children) Know what's manly? Doing whatever the fuck you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iron__giant@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd like to amend that with "whatever the fuck you want, so long as you're not hurting anyone," because plenty of these dudes live by doing whatever they want, but they don't give two shits about how it affects everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Oh of course. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sweeny@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I think what you're saying is more about being HUmanly. Once you try to assert what manliness is and isnt it becomes clear that gender is a social construct and that people should just do what they feel is right regardless of what abstract groups they identify with permalink fedilink source parent [–] regalia@literature.cafe 1 point 2 years ago Pretty much I think the only person who's opinion you should care about is your significant other you're going for. Literally who cares about anyone else's opinions lol, they aren't a part of your life. permalink fedilink source parent [–] keef@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago* I drink black coffee because I have a problem. Not because I’m trying to get +1 to my role in society Imagine being so sensitive a little bit of lightness in your coffee is enough of a devaluation to your manhood to make it a thing 😫 permalink fedilink source parent [–] BruceCampbellschin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I fill a glass of International Delight Caramel Macchiato and add dark roast coffee as needed to thin it out. 1 to 1 1/2 ounces of coffee is the sweet spot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeMoreCareful@lemdro.id 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not saying it's unmanly or anything, but sweet jebus that's a lot of sugar. It's like 5grams per tablespoon. That's like a third. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BruceCampbellschin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing manlier then diabetes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago God this is like the whole "cocktails are girly, real men drink beers". I don't care, give me a Sex on the Beach or a rum and coke. Or a good beer. Life is way too short to drink something called bitter. "It's literally called bitter!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Not for manlyness reasons, but I would recommend not using creamer. The sugar content is so freaking high. Just add cream (milk or milk alternative) and sugar to taste. It'll be healthier. Ideally though, if you don't like coffee, find another way to get your caffeine fix. Get some caffeine pills or some powder that you can add to juice in the morning, which would be healthier to consume (though also high in sugar, and be careful what kind of juice, some are largely HFCS). permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure about that. You may just be in an oppressive environment, like with trans people and their pronouns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hypermasculinity’s “oppressors” include flowers, rainbows, other people choosing to wear dresses, a functioning government, and welfare. Trans folks oppressors are the hypermasculine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not saying any specific group of people are always oppressed, just that if they are your previous statement is incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) I understand your point. It’s just good to highlight the things that make these groups oppressed. For the hypermasculine it’s anything that hurts their little feelings, and for trans people it is actual real persecution. And only one of these groups goes around screaming about the victim complex these days 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Why should diminishing others feelings be the go to resource? Are you now justifying their behaviours? permalink fedilink source parent [–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago If you're pointing out imperfections in the argument, then you're automatically a radical example of the other side. /S permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) (Alpha Male) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wirrvogel@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago* Since Alpha and Omega = Beginning and End, I always think an alpha male is a beginner at the art of being a male human and we should help them to become better at it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Full release men with ongoing development are the best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I do think self proclaimed "alpha males" need to be bullied about being still in development like some toddler. Or early Access game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saneless@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago And the projections. The constant insults are ones they practice in the mirror because that's the person it applies to the most permalink fedilink source parent [–] geekworking@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago A guy who used to cut my hair was rumored to be a hitman for the mafia. Nice guy. Really mild mannered. Last person who you would ever suspect of killing people. I actually believe the rumor because an actual hitman will make sure that he's the last person that you would ever suspect. permalink fedilink source parent [+] captainlezbian@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MacGuffin94@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I said it before too but: Gotta take the statement in context of the thread. I am sure there are a lot of people in environments that they have to continuously assert themselves just to be heard let alone recognized. The cis white men who typically embody this toxic masculinity are not in an oppressive environment, they are creating the oppressive environment. permalink fedilink source parent [+] traveler@lemdro.id -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 years ago (5 children) I've been told drinking coffee with cream or sugar isn't manly which I find funny, like who cares? We all have taste buds dude. IMO a "real" man isn't concerned about what others think, he is comfortable being himself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 32 points 2 years ago (3 children) Know what's manly? Doing whatever the fuck you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iron__giant@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd like to amend that with "whatever the fuck you want, so long as you're not hurting anyone," because plenty of these dudes live by doing whatever they want, but they don't give two shits about how it affects everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Oh of course. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sweeny@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I think what you're saying is more about being HUmanly. Once you try to assert what manliness is and isnt it becomes clear that gender is a social construct and that people should just do what they feel is right regardless of what abstract groups they identify with permalink fedilink source parent [–] regalia@literature.cafe 1 point 2 years ago Pretty much I think the only person who's opinion you should care about is your significant other you're going for. Literally who cares about anyone else's opinions lol, they aren't a part of your life. permalink fedilink source parent [–] keef@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago* I drink black coffee because I have a problem. Not because I’m trying to get +1 to my role in society Imagine being so sensitive a little bit of lightness in your coffee is enough of a devaluation to your manhood to make it a thing 😫 permalink fedilink source parent [–] BruceCampbellschin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I fill a glass of International Delight Caramel Macchiato and add dark roast coffee as needed to thin it out. 1 to 1 1/2 ounces of coffee is the sweet spot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeMoreCareful@lemdro.id 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not saying it's unmanly or anything, but sweet jebus that's a lot of sugar. It's like 5grams per tablespoon. That's like a third. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BruceCampbellschin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing manlier then diabetes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago God this is like the whole "cocktails are girly, real men drink beers". I don't care, give me a Sex on the Beach or a rum and coke. Or a good beer. Life is way too short to drink something called bitter. "It's literally called bitter!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Not for manlyness reasons, but I would recommend not using creamer. The sugar content is so freaking high. Just add cream (milk or milk alternative) and sugar to taste. It'll be healthier. Ideally though, if you don't like coffee, find another way to get your caffeine fix. Get some caffeine pills or some powder that you can add to juice in the morning, which would be healthier to consume (though also high in sugar, and be careful what kind of juice, some are largely HFCS). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 32 points 2 years ago (3 children) Know what's manly? Doing whatever the fuck you want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] iron__giant@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd like to amend that with "whatever the fuck you want, so long as you're not hurting anyone," because plenty of these dudes live by doing whatever they want, but they don't give two shits about how it affects everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Oh of course. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sweeny@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I think what you're saying is more about being HUmanly. Once you try to assert what manliness is and isnt it becomes clear that gender is a social construct and that people should just do what they feel is right regardless of what abstract groups they identify with permalink fedilink source parent [–] regalia@literature.cafe 1 point 2 years ago Pretty much I think the only person who's opinion you should care about is your significant other you're going for. Literally who cares about anyone else's opinions lol, they aren't a part of your life. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iron__giant@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'd like to amend that with "whatever the fuck you want, so long as you're not hurting anyone," because plenty of these dudes live by doing whatever they want, but they don't give two shits about how it affects everyone else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Oh of course. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sweeny@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I think what you're saying is more about being HUmanly. Once you try to assert what manliness is and isnt it becomes clear that gender is a social construct and that people should just do what they feel is right regardless of what abstract groups they identify with permalink fedilink source parent
[–] regalia@literature.cafe 1 point 2 years ago Pretty much I think the only person who's opinion you should care about is your significant other you're going for. Literally who cares about anyone else's opinions lol, they aren't a part of your life. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] keef@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago* I drink black coffee because I have a problem. Not because I’m trying to get +1 to my role in society Imagine being so sensitive a little bit of lightness in your coffee is enough of a devaluation to your manhood to make it a thing 😫 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BruceCampbellschin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I fill a glass of International Delight Caramel Macchiato and add dark roast coffee as needed to thin it out. 1 to 1 1/2 ounces of coffee is the sweet spot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BeMoreCareful@lemdro.id 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not saying it's unmanly or anything, but sweet jebus that's a lot of sugar. It's like 5grams per tablespoon. That's like a third. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BruceCampbellschin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing manlier then diabetes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeMoreCareful@lemdro.id 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not saying it's unmanly or anything, but sweet jebus that's a lot of sugar. It's like 5grams per tablespoon. That's like a third. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BruceCampbellschin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing manlier then diabetes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BruceCampbellschin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Nothing manlier then diabetes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago God this is like the whole "cocktails are girly, real men drink beers". I don't care, give me a Sex on the Beach or a rum and coke. Or a good beer. Life is way too short to drink something called bitter. "It's literally called bitter!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 years ago Not for manlyness reasons, but I would recommend not using creamer. The sugar content is so freaking high. Just add cream (milk or milk alternative) and sugar to taste. It'll be healthier. Ideally though, if you don't like coffee, find another way to get your caffeine fix. Get some caffeine pills or some powder that you can add to juice in the morning, which would be healthier to consume (though also high in sugar, and be careful what kind of juice, some are largely HFCS). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure about that. You may just be in an oppressive environment, like with trans people and their pronouns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hypermasculinity’s “oppressors” include flowers, rainbows, other people choosing to wear dresses, a functioning government, and welfare. Trans folks oppressors are the hypermasculine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not saying any specific group of people are always oppressed, just that if they are your previous statement is incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) I understand your point. It’s just good to highlight the things that make these groups oppressed. For the hypermasculine it’s anything that hurts their little feelings, and for trans people it is actual real persecution. And only one of these groups goes around screaming about the victim complex these days 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Why should diminishing others feelings be the go to resource? Are you now justifying their behaviours? permalink fedilink source parent [–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago If you're pointing out imperfections in the argument, then you're automatically a radical example of the other side. /S permalink fedilink source parent
[–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hypermasculinity’s “oppressors” include flowers, rainbows, other people choosing to wear dresses, a functioning government, and welfare. Trans folks oppressors are the hypermasculine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not saying any specific group of people are always oppressed, just that if they are your previous statement is incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) I understand your point. It’s just good to highlight the things that make these groups oppressed. For the hypermasculine it’s anything that hurts their little feelings, and for trans people it is actual real persecution. And only one of these groups goes around screaming about the victim complex these days 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Why should diminishing others feelings be the go to resource? Are you now justifying their behaviours? permalink fedilink source parent [–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago If you're pointing out imperfections in the argument, then you're automatically a radical example of the other side. /S permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) I'm not saying any specific group of people are always oppressed, just that if they are your previous statement is incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) I understand your point. It’s just good to highlight the things that make these groups oppressed. For the hypermasculine it’s anything that hurts their little feelings, and for trans people it is actual real persecution. And only one of these groups goes around screaming about the victim complex these days 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Why should diminishing others feelings be the go to resource? Are you now justifying their behaviours? permalink fedilink source parent [–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago If you're pointing out imperfections in the argument, then you're automatically a radical example of the other side. /S permalink fedilink source parent
[–] awesomesauce309@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) I understand your point. It’s just good to highlight the things that make these groups oppressed. For the hypermasculine it’s anything that hurts their little feelings, and for trans people it is actual real persecution. And only one of these groups goes around screaming about the victim complex these days 🙄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Why should diminishing others feelings be the go to resource? Are you now justifying their behaviours? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Why should diminishing others feelings be the go to resource? Are you now justifying their behaviours? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 years ago If you're pointing out imperfections in the argument, then you're automatically a radical example of the other side. /S permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) (Alpha Male) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Wirrvogel@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago* Since Alpha and Omega = Beginning and End, I always think an alpha male is a beginner at the art of being a male human and we should help them to become better at it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Full release men with ongoing development are the best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I do think self proclaimed "alpha males" need to be bullied about being still in development like some toddler. Or early Access game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wirrvogel@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago* Since Alpha and Omega = Beginning and End, I always think an alpha male is a beginner at the art of being a male human and we should help them to become better at it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Full release men with ongoing development are the best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I do think self proclaimed "alpha males" need to be bullied about being still in development like some toddler. Or early Access game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago I do think self proclaimed "alpha males" need to be bullied about being still in development like some toddler. Or early Access game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saneless@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago And the projections. The constant insults are ones they practice in the mirror because that's the person it applies to the most permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geekworking@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago A guy who used to cut my hair was rumored to be a hitman for the mafia. Nice guy. Really mild mannered. Last person who you would ever suspect of killing people. I actually believe the rumor because an actual hitman will make sure that he's the last person that you would ever suspect. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] captainlezbian@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MacGuffin94@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I said it before too but: Gotta take the statement in context of the thread. I am sure there are a lot of people in environments that they have to continuously assert themselves just to be heard let alone recognized. The cis white men who typically embody this toxic masculinity are not in an oppressive environment, they are creating the oppressive environment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MacGuffin94@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I said it before too but: Gotta take the statement in context of the thread. I am sure there are a lot of people in environments that they have to continuously assert themselves just to be heard let alone recognized. The cis white men who typically embody this toxic masculinity are not in an oppressive environment, they are creating the oppressive environment. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] traveler@lemdro.id -16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent