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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Because nobody tells someone at that power level what to do. They can choose, on their own, not to run like Johnson did in 1968. But no outside influence can or should tell a President they can't run. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I thought the whole point of having a democracy was people got to choose their leaders. If you're saying leaders become too powerful to reject, that's troubling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* The people had the opportunity to choose during the primary whether they wanted to vote for someone else who holds mostly similar views (e.g. the same political party) to their own, or the person currently doing the job. There weren't a lot of people from the same political party that offered themselves up as challengers to the person currently doing the job, for a variety of reasons. Our system heavily favors the person currently doing the job in our primary elections, but challenges have been made before, just not this time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago Reject no, this is about Biden choosing to run permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You get to choose, between the Republican nominee and the Democratic nominee. If you vote Libertarian, you are helping Biden by taking away a Trump vote. If you vote Green, you are helping Trump by taking away a Biden vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) To clarify, the above wasn't some kind of rhetorical question. I'm not American and am not asking for voting guidance. You seemed to be saying that once a politician gets to a position of power, voters are no longer allowed to try to influence their decisions around whether to run, be the nominee etc. That seems problematic to me, and against the basic principles of democracy, so I'm querying it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I don't think they were saying anything about what is allowed, but they were saying what is likely and realistic to expect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Incumbent politicians have multiple advantages, but if you don't want them then the choice is to vote for their opponent or not vote, which really is the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That seems really anti-democracy. If an incumbent performs poorly or breaks promises there should be mechanisms for people to ask to select another candidate to represent them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is, it's called "voting". But you aren't just going to remove someone as a candidate because you don't like them, that's undemocratic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But didn't you just say they can't vote for non-Biden democrats? I feel like either I completely misunderstood your initial comment about Presidents having so much power, or else you're misunderstanding what I'm asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They can, it's pointless, but they can. Nobody is going to sufficiently challenge the de facto leader of the party. See all the primaries so far, on both sides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Thanks, yeah I misunderstood your initial point. Thanks for explaining. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you think no one tells Joe Biden what he should be doing on the daily you might be more demented than he is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "should do" and "to do" are two entirely different things. :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Well… they also do that. Also, even taking that statement as literal - is that supposed to be a good thing? “Despite his staff and advisors urging him to not run again, in a bid for power he is again!” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) How is it that there are all these people who have nothing to do with political office in their daily lives who know all the personal conversations and thoughts of the inner circles of the presidency? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are you unaware of the extremely basic fact that essentially every president in US history has relied incredibly strongly on a wide team of advisors and cabinet members. They teach you that in middle school civics. Did you think the presidency was like in a movie where it’s just one guy who decides to do everything he does? Do you think Biden sits there with a calculator running the numbers?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 1 point 2 years ago Certain flanks of the party saying he shouldn't but not putting up anyone who should is hardly a consensus, plus to assume it's 'a bid for power', like some kind of movie super villain here, totally not like something someone who would try and prevent congressional certification of the election would do. I do tire of these threads, 'Trump is evil incarnate and must be stopped by... scattering votes for the only viably running candidate all over the map?'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not "in a bid for power", it's to block Trump. If Trump weren't running Biden would likely dust off his hands, go "My work here is done!" and quietly retire at the end of his term. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-not-sure-he-would-seek-re-election-if-trump-was-not-2023-12-05/ If something happened to take Trump out of the race, especially between now and the conventions in July and August, I think Biden would bow out, but he won't as long as Trump is around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I simply don’t believe that Biden is the most electable person in the country against Trump lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) He's the only person who's already beaten him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, I guess we’ll have to see if he can do it again. I don’t bemoan people for voting for him, but he doesn’t have mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) so you're voting for Trump? effectively or directly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, I’m just voting third party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago that's what I said. you're effectively voting for Trump. You don't understand how the voting system in the USA works, obviously, which is a shame. I look forward to preferential/ ranked voting coming in, but until that day, you're a fucking retard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] livus@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I thought the whole point of having a democracy was people got to choose their leaders. If you're saying leaders become too powerful to reject, that's troubling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* The people had the opportunity to choose during the primary whether they wanted to vote for someone else who holds mostly similar views (e.g. the same political party) to their own, or the person currently doing the job. There weren't a lot of people from the same political party that offered themselves up as challengers to the person currently doing the job, for a variety of reasons. Our system heavily favors the person currently doing the job in our primary elections, but challenges have been made before, just not this time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago Reject no, this is about Biden choosing to run permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You get to choose, between the Republican nominee and the Democratic nominee. If you vote Libertarian, you are helping Biden by taking away a Trump vote. If you vote Green, you are helping Trump by taking away a Biden vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) To clarify, the above wasn't some kind of rhetorical question. I'm not American and am not asking for voting guidance. You seemed to be saying that once a politician gets to a position of power, voters are no longer allowed to try to influence their decisions around whether to run, be the nominee etc. That seems problematic to me, and against the basic principles of democracy, so I'm querying it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I don't think they were saying anything about what is allowed, but they were saying what is likely and realistic to expect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Incumbent politicians have multiple advantages, but if you don't want them then the choice is to vote for their opponent or not vote, which really is the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That seems really anti-democracy. If an incumbent performs poorly or breaks promises there should be mechanisms for people to ask to select another candidate to represent them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is, it's called "voting". But you aren't just going to remove someone as a candidate because you don't like them, that's undemocratic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But didn't you just say they can't vote for non-Biden democrats? I feel like either I completely misunderstood your initial comment about Presidents having so much power, or else you're misunderstanding what I'm asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They can, it's pointless, but they can. Nobody is going to sufficiently challenge the de facto leader of the party. See all the primaries so far, on both sides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Thanks, yeah I misunderstood your initial point. Thanks for explaining. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* The people had the opportunity to choose during the primary whether they wanted to vote for someone else who holds mostly similar views (e.g. the same political party) to their own, or the person currently doing the job. There weren't a lot of people from the same political party that offered themselves up as challengers to the person currently doing the job, for a variety of reasons. Our system heavily favors the person currently doing the job in our primary elections, but challenges have been made before, just not this time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago Reject no, this is about Biden choosing to run permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) You get to choose, between the Republican nominee and the Democratic nominee. If you vote Libertarian, you are helping Biden by taking away a Trump vote. If you vote Green, you are helping Trump by taking away a Biden vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) To clarify, the above wasn't some kind of rhetorical question. I'm not American and am not asking for voting guidance. You seemed to be saying that once a politician gets to a position of power, voters are no longer allowed to try to influence their decisions around whether to run, be the nominee etc. That seems problematic to me, and against the basic principles of democracy, so I'm querying it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I don't think they were saying anything about what is allowed, but they were saying what is likely and realistic to expect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Incumbent politicians have multiple advantages, but if you don't want them then the choice is to vote for their opponent or not vote, which really is the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That seems really anti-democracy. If an incumbent performs poorly or breaks promises there should be mechanisms for people to ask to select another candidate to represent them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is, it's called "voting". But you aren't just going to remove someone as a candidate because you don't like them, that's undemocratic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But didn't you just say they can't vote for non-Biden democrats? I feel like either I completely misunderstood your initial comment about Presidents having so much power, or else you're misunderstanding what I'm asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They can, it's pointless, but they can. Nobody is going to sufficiently challenge the de facto leader of the party. See all the primaries so far, on both sides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Thanks, yeah I misunderstood your initial point. Thanks for explaining. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] livus@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) To clarify, the above wasn't some kind of rhetorical question. I'm not American and am not asking for voting guidance. You seemed to be saying that once a politician gets to a position of power, voters are no longer allowed to try to influence their decisions around whether to run, be the nominee etc. That seems problematic to me, and against the basic principles of democracy, so I'm querying it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I don't think they were saying anything about what is allowed, but they were saying what is likely and realistic to expect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Incumbent politicians have multiple advantages, but if you don't want them then the choice is to vote for their opponent or not vote, which really is the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That seems really anti-democracy. If an incumbent performs poorly or breaks promises there should be mechanisms for people to ask to select another candidate to represent them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is, it's called "voting". But you aren't just going to remove someone as a candidate because you don't like them, that's undemocratic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But didn't you just say they can't vote for non-Biden democrats? I feel like either I completely misunderstood your initial comment about Presidents having so much power, or else you're misunderstanding what I'm asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They can, it's pointless, but they can. Nobody is going to sufficiently challenge the de facto leader of the party. See all the primaries so far, on both sides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Thanks, yeah I misunderstood your initial point. Thanks for explaining. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago I don't think they were saying anything about what is allowed, but they were saying what is likely and realistic to expect. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Incumbent politicians have multiple advantages, but if you don't want them then the choice is to vote for their opponent or not vote, which really is the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That seems really anti-democracy. If an incumbent performs poorly or breaks promises there should be mechanisms for people to ask to select another candidate to represent them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is, it's called "voting". But you aren't just going to remove someone as a candidate because you don't like them, that's undemocratic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But didn't you just say they can't vote for non-Biden democrats? I feel like either I completely misunderstood your initial comment about Presidents having so much power, or else you're misunderstanding what I'm asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They can, it's pointless, but they can. Nobody is going to sufficiently challenge the de facto leader of the party. See all the primaries so far, on both sides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Thanks, yeah I misunderstood your initial point. Thanks for explaining. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) That seems really anti-democracy. If an incumbent performs poorly or breaks promises there should be mechanisms for people to ask to select another candidate to represent them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is, it's called "voting". But you aren't just going to remove someone as a candidate because you don't like them, that's undemocratic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But didn't you just say they can't vote for non-Biden democrats? I feel like either I completely misunderstood your initial comment about Presidents having so much power, or else you're misunderstanding what I'm asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They can, it's pointless, but they can. Nobody is going to sufficiently challenge the de facto leader of the party. See all the primaries so far, on both sides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Thanks, yeah I misunderstood your initial point. Thanks for explaining. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There is, it's called "voting". But you aren't just going to remove someone as a candidate because you don't like them, that's undemocratic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But didn't you just say they can't vote for non-Biden democrats? I feel like either I completely misunderstood your initial comment about Presidents having so much power, or else you're misunderstanding what I'm asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They can, it's pointless, but they can. Nobody is going to sufficiently challenge the de facto leader of the party. See all the primaries so far, on both sides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Thanks, yeah I misunderstood your initial point. Thanks for explaining. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] livus@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) But didn't you just say they can't vote for non-Biden democrats? I feel like either I completely misunderstood your initial comment about Presidents having so much power, or else you're misunderstanding what I'm asking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They can, it's pointless, but they can. Nobody is going to sufficiently challenge the de facto leader of the party. See all the primaries so far, on both sides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Thanks, yeah I misunderstood your initial point. Thanks for explaining. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) They can, it's pointless, but they can. Nobody is going to sufficiently challenge the de facto leader of the party. See all the primaries so far, on both sides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Thanks, yeah I misunderstood your initial point. Thanks for explaining. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] livus@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago Thanks, yeah I misunderstood your initial point. Thanks for explaining. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you think no one tells Joe Biden what he should be doing on the daily you might be more demented than he is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "should do" and "to do" are two entirely different things. :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Well… they also do that. Also, even taking that statement as literal - is that supposed to be a good thing? “Despite his staff and advisors urging him to not run again, in a bid for power he is again!” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) How is it that there are all these people who have nothing to do with political office in their daily lives who know all the personal conversations and thoughts of the inner circles of the presidency? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are you unaware of the extremely basic fact that essentially every president in US history has relied incredibly strongly on a wide team of advisors and cabinet members. They teach you that in middle school civics. Did you think the presidency was like in a movie where it’s just one guy who decides to do everything he does? Do you think Biden sits there with a calculator running the numbers?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 1 point 2 years ago Certain flanks of the party saying he shouldn't but not putting up anyone who should is hardly a consensus, plus to assume it's 'a bid for power', like some kind of movie super villain here, totally not like something someone who would try and prevent congressional certification of the election would do. I do tire of these threads, 'Trump is evil incarnate and must be stopped by... scattering votes for the only viably running candidate all over the map?'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not "in a bid for power", it's to block Trump. If Trump weren't running Biden would likely dust off his hands, go "My work here is done!" and quietly retire at the end of his term. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-not-sure-he-would-seek-re-election-if-trump-was-not-2023-12-05/ If something happened to take Trump out of the race, especially between now and the conventions in July and August, I think Biden would bow out, but he won't as long as Trump is around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I simply don’t believe that Biden is the most electable person in the country against Trump lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) He's the only person who's already beaten him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, I guess we’ll have to see if he can do it again. I don’t bemoan people for voting for him, but he doesn’t have mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) so you're voting for Trump? effectively or directly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, I’m just voting third party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago that's what I said. you're effectively voting for Trump. You don't understand how the voting system in the USA works, obviously, which is a shame. I look forward to preferential/ ranked voting coming in, but until that day, you're a fucking retard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) "should do" and "to do" are two entirely different things. :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Well… they also do that. Also, even taking that statement as literal - is that supposed to be a good thing? “Despite his staff and advisors urging him to not run again, in a bid for power he is again!” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) How is it that there are all these people who have nothing to do with political office in their daily lives who know all the personal conversations and thoughts of the inner circles of the presidency? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are you unaware of the extremely basic fact that essentially every president in US history has relied incredibly strongly on a wide team of advisors and cabinet members. They teach you that in middle school civics. Did you think the presidency was like in a movie where it’s just one guy who decides to do everything he does? Do you think Biden sits there with a calculator running the numbers?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 1 point 2 years ago Certain flanks of the party saying he shouldn't but not putting up anyone who should is hardly a consensus, plus to assume it's 'a bid for power', like some kind of movie super villain here, totally not like something someone who would try and prevent congressional certification of the election would do. I do tire of these threads, 'Trump is evil incarnate and must be stopped by... scattering votes for the only viably running candidate all over the map?'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not "in a bid for power", it's to block Trump. If Trump weren't running Biden would likely dust off his hands, go "My work here is done!" and quietly retire at the end of his term. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-not-sure-he-would-seek-re-election-if-trump-was-not-2023-12-05/ If something happened to take Trump out of the race, especially between now and the conventions in July and August, I think Biden would bow out, but he won't as long as Trump is around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I simply don’t believe that Biden is the most electable person in the country against Trump lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) He's the only person who's already beaten him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, I guess we’ll have to see if he can do it again. I don’t bemoan people for voting for him, but he doesn’t have mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) so you're voting for Trump? effectively or directly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, I’m just voting third party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago that's what I said. you're effectively voting for Trump. You don't understand how the voting system in the USA works, obviously, which is a shame. I look forward to preferential/ ranked voting coming in, but until that day, you're a fucking retard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Well… they also do that. Also, even taking that statement as literal - is that supposed to be a good thing? “Despite his staff and advisors urging him to not run again, in a bid for power he is again!” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) How is it that there are all these people who have nothing to do with political office in their daily lives who know all the personal conversations and thoughts of the inner circles of the presidency? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are you unaware of the extremely basic fact that essentially every president in US history has relied incredibly strongly on a wide team of advisors and cabinet members. They teach you that in middle school civics. Did you think the presidency was like in a movie where it’s just one guy who decides to do everything he does? Do you think Biden sits there with a calculator running the numbers?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 1 point 2 years ago Certain flanks of the party saying he shouldn't but not putting up anyone who should is hardly a consensus, plus to assume it's 'a bid for power', like some kind of movie super villain here, totally not like something someone who would try and prevent congressional certification of the election would do. I do tire of these threads, 'Trump is evil incarnate and must be stopped by... scattering votes for the only viably running candidate all over the map?'. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not "in a bid for power", it's to block Trump. If Trump weren't running Biden would likely dust off his hands, go "My work here is done!" and quietly retire at the end of his term. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-not-sure-he-would-seek-re-election-if-trump-was-not-2023-12-05/ If something happened to take Trump out of the race, especially between now and the conventions in July and August, I think Biden would bow out, but he won't as long as Trump is around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I simply don’t believe that Biden is the most electable person in the country against Trump lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) He's the only person who's already beaten him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, I guess we’ll have to see if he can do it again. I don’t bemoan people for voting for him, but he doesn’t have mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) so you're voting for Trump? effectively or directly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, I’m just voting third party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago that's what I said. you're effectively voting for Trump. You don't understand how the voting system in the USA works, obviously, which is a shame. I look forward to preferential/ ranked voting coming in, but until that day, you're a fucking retard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) How is it that there are all these people who have nothing to do with political office in their daily lives who know all the personal conversations and thoughts of the inner circles of the presidency? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are you unaware of the extremely basic fact that essentially every president in US history has relied incredibly strongly on a wide team of advisors and cabinet members. They teach you that in middle school civics. Did you think the presidency was like in a movie where it’s just one guy who decides to do everything he does? Do you think Biden sits there with a calculator running the numbers?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 1 point 2 years ago Certain flanks of the party saying he shouldn't but not putting up anyone who should is hardly a consensus, plus to assume it's 'a bid for power', like some kind of movie super villain here, totally not like something someone who would try and prevent congressional certification of the election would do. I do tire of these threads, 'Trump is evil incarnate and must be stopped by... scattering votes for the only viably running candidate all over the map?'. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are you unaware of the extremely basic fact that essentially every president in US history has relied incredibly strongly on a wide team of advisors and cabinet members. They teach you that in middle school civics. Did you think the presidency was like in a movie where it’s just one guy who decides to do everything he does? Do you think Biden sits there with a calculator running the numbers?? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 1 point 2 years ago Certain flanks of the party saying he shouldn't but not putting up anyone who should is hardly a consensus, plus to assume it's 'a bid for power', like some kind of movie super villain here, totally not like something someone who would try and prevent congressional certification of the election would do. I do tire of these threads, 'Trump is evil incarnate and must be stopped by... scattering votes for the only viably running candidate all over the map?'. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 1 point 2 years ago Certain flanks of the party saying he shouldn't but not putting up anyone who should is hardly a consensus, plus to assume it's 'a bid for power', like some kind of movie super villain here, totally not like something someone who would try and prevent congressional certification of the election would do. I do tire of these threads, 'Trump is evil incarnate and must be stopped by... scattering votes for the only viably running candidate all over the map?'. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not "in a bid for power", it's to block Trump. If Trump weren't running Biden would likely dust off his hands, go "My work here is done!" and quietly retire at the end of his term. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-not-sure-he-would-seek-re-election-if-trump-was-not-2023-12-05/ If something happened to take Trump out of the race, especially between now and the conventions in July and August, I think Biden would bow out, but he won't as long as Trump is around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I simply don’t believe that Biden is the most electable person in the country against Trump lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) He's the only person who's already beaten him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, I guess we’ll have to see if he can do it again. I don’t bemoan people for voting for him, but he doesn’t have mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) so you're voting for Trump? effectively or directly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, I’m just voting third party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago that's what I said. you're effectively voting for Trump. You don't understand how the voting system in the USA works, obviously, which is a shame. I look forward to preferential/ ranked voting coming in, but until that day, you're a fucking retard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I simply don’t believe that Biden is the most electable person in the country against Trump lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) He's the only person who's already beaten him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, I guess we’ll have to see if he can do it again. I don’t bemoan people for voting for him, but he doesn’t have mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) so you're voting for Trump? effectively or directly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, I’m just voting third party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago that's what I said. you're effectively voting for Trump. You don't understand how the voting system in the USA works, obviously, which is a shame. I look forward to preferential/ ranked voting coming in, but until that day, you're a fucking retard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) He's the only person who's already beaten him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, I guess we’ll have to see if he can do it again. I don’t bemoan people for voting for him, but he doesn’t have mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) so you're voting for Trump? effectively or directly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, I’m just voting third party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago that's what I said. you're effectively voting for Trump. You don't understand how the voting system in the USA works, obviously, which is a shame. I look forward to preferential/ ranked voting coming in, but until that day, you're a fucking retard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, I guess we’ll have to see if he can do it again. I don’t bemoan people for voting for him, but he doesn’t have mine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) so you're voting for Trump? effectively or directly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, I’m just voting third party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago that's what I said. you're effectively voting for Trump. You don't understand how the voting system in the USA works, obviously, which is a shame. I look forward to preferential/ ranked voting coming in, but until that day, you're a fucking retard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) so you're voting for Trump? effectively or directly? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, I’m just voting third party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago that's what I said. you're effectively voting for Trump. You don't understand how the voting system in the USA works, obviously, which is a shame. I look forward to preferential/ ranked voting coming in, but until that day, you're a fucking retard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Minotaur@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, I’m just voting third party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago that's what I said. you're effectively voting for Trump. You don't understand how the voting system in the USA works, obviously, which is a shame. I look forward to preferential/ ranked voting coming in, but until that day, you're a fucking retard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago that's what I said. you're effectively voting for Trump. You don't understand how the voting system in the USA works, obviously, which is a shame. I look forward to preferential/ ranked voting coming in, but until that day, you're a fucking retard. permalink fedilink source parent