▲ 118 ▼ For a Universal Declaration on Fediverse Rights, or: At the Core of the Threads-Debate lies a deeper problem: how can the Fediverse grow without losing its soul in the process? (fungiverse.wordpress.com) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by blue_berry@lemmy.world to c/fediverse@lemmy.world 67 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Maybe. But that's a big maybe. It could equally be that Threads becomes the most powerful entity on the Fediverse and what they do becomes law (like shutting off a certain instance). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] otter@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago* Yea the other part of my reasoning is to try and prevent them from getting to that point. The short version of which is that our biggest selling point is "Join Mastodon, you can see all the same content and do the same things, but it's run by a non-profit instead of Facebook". Defederation means we lose that point, and it's going to be very difficult for Mastodon to compete with the money and manpower that facebook has. "Join Mastodon to see content that you can't see otherwise" will have a much harder time competing with "Join Threads to see content that you can't see otherwise" permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) In principle, yes. But if 99% of users are on one server, then that server has a disproportional amount of power in the network. If they choose to defederate another server, it's essentially a death sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if the users on that server treat it like a death sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 2 years ago Most users would probably jump away from that server in that case, so in all likelihood they would. permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is different because if we defederate in the first place, then perhaps 99% of users would not congregate in that server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Facni@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago XMPP hadn't, until google put his hands on it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That is not really true and anyone who actually believes that is in for a rude awakening. See I think that you're a bit confused because when they say that or things similar to that what they really mean is that no one person controls the fediverse. Not that there are no laws or rules because they're absolutely are. For example if you go around spouting bigotry you will find yourself banned from a majority of public federated servers, and if you are on a server that you are not the owner of you will likely find yourself banned from that one. The fact that it's decentralized does not mean that it doesn't have rules or is some kind of free speech safe haven. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] otter@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago* Yea the other part of my reasoning is to try and prevent them from getting to that point. The short version of which is that our biggest selling point is "Join Mastodon, you can see all the same content and do the same things, but it's run by a non-profit instead of Facebook". Defederation means we lose that point, and it's going to be very difficult for Mastodon to compete with the money and manpower that facebook has. "Join Mastodon to see content that you can't see otherwise" will have a much harder time competing with "Join Threads to see content that you can't see otherwise" permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) In principle, yes. But if 99% of users are on one server, then that server has a disproportional amount of power in the network. If they choose to defederate another server, it's essentially a death sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if the users on that server treat it like a death sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 2 years ago Most users would probably jump away from that server in that case, so in all likelihood they would. permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is different because if we defederate in the first place, then perhaps 99% of users would not congregate in that server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Facni@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago XMPP hadn't, until google put his hands on it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That is not really true and anyone who actually believes that is in for a rude awakening. See I think that you're a bit confused because when they say that or things similar to that what they really mean is that no one person controls the fediverse. Not that there are no laws or rules because they're absolutely are. For example if you go around spouting bigotry you will find yourself banned from a majority of public federated servers, and if you are on a server that you are not the owner of you will likely find yourself banned from that one. The fact that it's decentralized does not mean that it doesn't have rules or is some kind of free speech safe haven. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) In principle, yes. But if 99% of users are on one server, then that server has a disproportional amount of power in the network. If they choose to defederate another server, it's essentially a death sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if the users on that server treat it like a death sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 2 years ago Most users would probably jump away from that server in that case, so in all likelihood they would. permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is different because if we defederate in the first place, then perhaps 99% of users would not congregate in that server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Only if the users on that server treat it like a death sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 2 years ago Most users would probably jump away from that server in that case, so in all likelihood they would. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 2 years ago Most users would probably jump away from that server in that case, so in all likelihood they would. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is different because if we defederate in the first place, then perhaps 99% of users would not congregate in that server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It is different because if we defederate in the first place, then perhaps 99% of users would not congregate in that server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Facni@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago XMPP hadn't, until google put his hands on it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago That is not really true and anyone who actually believes that is in for a rude awakening. See I think that you're a bit confused because when they say that or things similar to that what they really mean is that no one person controls the fediverse. Not that there are no laws or rules because they're absolutely are. For example if you go around spouting bigotry you will find yourself banned from a majority of public federated servers, and if you are on a server that you are not the owner of you will likely find yourself banned from that one. The fact that it's decentralized does not mean that it doesn't have rules or is some kind of free speech safe haven. permalink fedilink source parent