For anyone wondering if Threads and Facebook at large will be a fine neighbor in the space and compatible with other apps/services in the fediverse: they’re already automatically hiding comments that mention Pixelfed https://mastodon.social/@dansup/112126250737482807

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[–] 428 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Repeat after me: I will not federate with any Meta products.

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  • [–] 158 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I will not federate with any meta products.

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  • [–] 60 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I will not federate with any meta products.

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I will not federate with any meta products.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I will not federate with any meta products

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I will not federate with any meta products

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  • [–] 62 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Serious question: how do we - the end users - stop federating with Meta?

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  • [–] 77 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Migrate away from instances that embrace Meta to those that do not. Choose an instance that aligns with you.

    Or in the extreme case, if you're the first who can't find such an instance and you're technically inclined, there's your room for a new instance. It's how the fediverse works and partly why Meta is so intent on destroying it.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    How does one find a list of instances that aren't federated with meta?

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    What's the difference between blocked and fedipact?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The tooltip for fedipact says: "Agreed to block all communications (their blocklist is private)"

    To me that says, they've agreed but it's not confirmed that they've gone through with it because the blocklist is private. Blocked on the other hand says "All communications are blocked"

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m kind of stupid and more here just because it tends to be better discussion than Reddit: what does “federate with” mean in this context??

    Thanks!

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  • [–] 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    @Minotaur @henfredemars @technology You are using an account on lemm.ee to reply to someone commenting from an account on infosec.pub in a community hosted on lemmy.world.

    Those are all running Lemmy software, but I am replying from an account on social.goodanser.com, which is running Mastodon software.

    That's federation. We're all using different service providers, sometimes even different software, but we can talk to each other because they speak the same protocol, called ActivityPub. Threads.net has announced plans to support ActivityPub and conducted some limited trials, which they're in the process of expanding. They claim they intend to support it fully, but only for users who opt in to it.

    Servers can block, or "defederate from" other servers, and many have chosen to preemptively defederate from Threads.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Very interesting. Appreciate the response. Didn’t know big companies like meta had any interest in the whole “federation” gig, seeing that it seems a little “opposed” to the kind of big revenue that supports tech companies like that

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    And now I'm commenting from a lemmy.world account because Lemmy from Mastodon has some rough edges like the need to tag the community in my comment above to ensure it actually reaches the lemmy.world server.

    Tumblr and Flickr are also talking about ActivityPub support, but it's not clear if or when that will actually happen. It would make more sense to me for those services since they're fairly small and it's a way to substantially increase the possible audience. It's not clear what Meta's motivations are here, though a motivation some have proposed is that they're trying to get in front of potential regulation. The EU Digital Markets Act, for example requires some services to interoperate with competitors, and having one of its new products join an established standard protocol is a way to say "you don't need to regulate us, we already do the thing".

    I don't think their blocking of comments mentioning Pixelfed is intentional. Pixelfed is not popular enough for Meta to care about as a competitor, and blocking mentions of competitors has never been among their tactics.

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    Youtube was blocking comments mentioning Fediverse and ActivityPub 2 years ago way before all the exposure the Fediverse got last year. Facebook was blocking links to mastodon instances also before all that. There is absolutely no way a very specific word such as Pixelfed would be blocked "accidentally", how do you propose such accidental block would even be possible? Oops, intern smashed his butt against a keyboard and set a filter that happened to catch Pixelfed by accident? Come on.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    You need more training in corporate risk management, grasshopper! AP/AtProto isn't a revenue opportunity, it's a potential front for which they'll need to have a battle-ready product and brand. Ever heard the saying 'engagement is containment'?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Wait did I miss something big? Does Lemmy now federate with Mastodon somehow? How does that work?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Always has. Anything using ActivittPub can interoperate

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I was under the impression that it theoretically could but wasn’t set up in a way that made this possible. But perhaps I was mistaken.

    How do I access Mastodon content using my account here then?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Threads hasn't had federation enabled until now, but you've always been able to interact with Mastodon... sort of. The Lemmy UI doesn't really have a good way of finding Mastodon posts that don't tag a Lemmy community or of following Mastodon users, but if they do tag a community the Mastodon post will show up as a Lemmy post in that community.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    You've had some well-meaning but ultimately not quite accurate answers in this thread so just to clarify:

    You can follow, post to and interact with Lemmy communities from Mastodon, because they're treated the same way as a "group" on Mastodon in general.

    You can NOT follow and interact with Mastodon users from Lemmy, because Mastodon accounts are individual "users" and Lemmy doesn't have the concept of following and interacting with users, only with communities. If Lemmy ever does add a feature to let us follow other users, then in theory following Mastodon users will also become possible.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    @LibertyLizard @technology It always has. They both speak ActivityPub.

    The UX can be awkward though. As an example, I had to add the community tag to this comment manually, as it won't federate to lemmy.world otherwise. That's because Mastodon doesn't push replies to every server with users participating in a thread, which I think is a design flaw.

    To post to Lemmy from Mastodon, just tag a community. You can load any of the fediverse links shown in the default Lemmy web UI in a Mastodon search box and reply to them. You can also follow a community and receive every subsequent post and comment as a boost (this is a bad UX and I don't recommend it), as well as follow Lemmy users, which you can't do in Lemmy itself. You cannot vote on Lemmy posts/comments from Mastodon.

    I find tagging an appropriate Lemmy community from my Mastodon posts to be a good experience. You'll see a few of those from my @zaktakespictures account in @birding, and from @zakreviews in @flashlight.

    I'm pretty sure Lemmy won't make new toplevel posts out of this in those communities since it's a reply, but I'm going to check just to be sure.

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