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[–] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's what I would consider left, but not far-left. I suppose Socialism with Liberal Democracy, as opposed to a more direct or decentralized version of democracy, would be left but not far left as well. Capitalism ends where left begins.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's not linear. Anarchist or Libertarian Socialist systems like Syndicalism, Mutualism, Georgism, and Distributism are just as Socialist as Marxism in that they prevent the exploitation of capital accumulation, but they favor direct stakeholder ownership of firms in place of a state or other more communal systems that create an inherent hierarchy of power.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    I'm aware that it's not linear, but it's also not a 2 axis grid, either. There are generally groups of ideologies based on what class they represent, and the methods they use.

    Left and right are more for shorthand.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Capitalism ends where left begins.

    I'm not sure if you're gatekeeping or just generalizing.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Neither. The left/right divide is Socialism/Capitalism. There are various Overton Windows, ie what is considered left or right when compared to an areas median, like Liberalism being left of the American median despite being a right-wing, Capitalist ideology.

    Anarchism, Communism, Marxism, and other forms of Socialism are leftist, while Liberalism, Social Democracy, and fascism are rightist.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Uh. Okay. If you say so. I wasn't going to say anything about the No True Scotsman fallacy, but you really did force my hand with that last one. That's outright silly, and a pretty vile attempt to coerce conformity out of of other progressives who don't align with your perspective on economics by thinking you can label them "right-wing" for it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    How would you propose left/right be divided, if not by the commonly accepted mechanics by which they differ?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I'm so glad you asked.

    commonly accepted mechanics

    I'm beginning to feel a little gas-lit.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That refers to the Overton Window, as you can see it's generally just vibes, and not actual measurable mechanics.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Right. I must've missed that because I don't care about this conversation at all. Labels were never my thing to begin with. But you can call me right-wing if it makes you feel better, as long as I get to keep my trans boyfriend.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You asked me, so I answered. Personally, I think left/right is hopelessly reductive, it ties too many unrelated things together, and says nothing of social views, of which you're presumably very progressive despite right wing economic views.

    That's why I wouldn't call you "right wing" before I called you a liberal, which I'm sure we are both comfortable with.

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