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[–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Oh, I wouldn't know anything about that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's what I would consider left, but not far-left. I suppose Socialism with Liberal Democracy, as opposed to a more direct or decentralized version of democracy, would be left but not far left as well. Capitalism ends where left begins. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not linear. Anarchist or Libertarian Socialist systems like Syndicalism, Mutualism, Georgism, and Distributism are just as Socialist as Marxism in that they prevent the exploitation of capital accumulation, but they favor direct stakeholder ownership of firms in place of a state or other more communal systems that create an inherent hierarchy of power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago I'm aware that it's not linear, but it's also not a 2 axis grid, either. There are generally groups of ideologies based on what class they represent, and the methods they use. Left and right are more for shorthand. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism ends where left begins. I'm not sure if you're gatekeeping or just generalizing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Neither. The left/right divide is Socialism/Capitalism. There are various Overton Windows, ie what is considered left or right when compared to an areas median, like Liberalism being left of the American median despite being a right-wing, Capitalist ideology. Anarchism, Communism, Marxism, and other forms of Socialism are leftist, while Liberalism, Social Democracy, and fascism are rightist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Uh. Okay. If you say so. I wasn't going to say anything about the No True Scotsman fallacy, but you really did force my hand with that last one. That's outright silly, and a pretty vile attempt to coerce conformity out of of other progressives who don't align with your perspective on economics by thinking you can label them "right-wing" for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How would you propose left/right be divided, if not by the commonly accepted mechanics by which they differ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm so glad you asked. commonly accepted mechanics I'm beginning to feel a little gas-lit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That refers to the Overton Window, as you can see it's generally just vibes, and not actual measurable mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. I must've missed that because I don't care about this conversation at all. Labels were never my thing to begin with. But you can call me right-wing if it makes you feel better, as long as I get to keep my trans boyfriend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You asked me, so I answered. Personally, I think left/right is hopelessly reductive, it ties too many unrelated things together, and says nothing of social views, of which you're presumably very progressive despite right wing economic views. That's why I wouldn't call you "right wing" before I called you a liberal, which I'm sure we are both comfortable with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, you're the expert. I personally couldn't care less about economics. There are too many things to be right and passionate about for me to start worrying about all that theoretical insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago That's fine, never said you had to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's what I would consider left, but not far-left. I suppose Socialism with Liberal Democracy, as opposed to a more direct or decentralized version of democracy, would be left but not far left as well. Capitalism ends where left begins. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not linear. Anarchist or Libertarian Socialist systems like Syndicalism, Mutualism, Georgism, and Distributism are just as Socialist as Marxism in that they prevent the exploitation of capital accumulation, but they favor direct stakeholder ownership of firms in place of a state or other more communal systems that create an inherent hierarchy of power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago I'm aware that it's not linear, but it's also not a 2 axis grid, either. There are generally groups of ideologies based on what class they represent, and the methods they use. Left and right are more for shorthand. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism ends where left begins. I'm not sure if you're gatekeeping or just generalizing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Neither. The left/right divide is Socialism/Capitalism. There are various Overton Windows, ie what is considered left or right when compared to an areas median, like Liberalism being left of the American median despite being a right-wing, Capitalist ideology. Anarchism, Communism, Marxism, and other forms of Socialism are leftist, while Liberalism, Social Democracy, and fascism are rightist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Uh. Okay. If you say so. I wasn't going to say anything about the No True Scotsman fallacy, but you really did force my hand with that last one. That's outright silly, and a pretty vile attempt to coerce conformity out of of other progressives who don't align with your perspective on economics by thinking you can label them "right-wing" for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How would you propose left/right be divided, if not by the commonly accepted mechanics by which they differ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm so glad you asked. commonly accepted mechanics I'm beginning to feel a little gas-lit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That refers to the Overton Window, as you can see it's generally just vibes, and not actual measurable mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. I must've missed that because I don't care about this conversation at all. Labels were never my thing to begin with. But you can call me right-wing if it makes you feel better, as long as I get to keep my trans boyfriend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You asked me, so I answered. Personally, I think left/right is hopelessly reductive, it ties too many unrelated things together, and says nothing of social views, of which you're presumably very progressive despite right wing economic views. That's why I wouldn't call you "right wing" before I called you a liberal, which I'm sure we are both comfortable with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, you're the expert. I personally couldn't care less about economics. There are too many things to be right and passionate about for me to start worrying about all that theoretical insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago That's fine, never said you had to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Overshoot2648@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not linear. Anarchist or Libertarian Socialist systems like Syndicalism, Mutualism, Georgism, and Distributism are just as Socialist as Marxism in that they prevent the exploitation of capital accumulation, but they favor direct stakeholder ownership of firms in place of a state or other more communal systems that create an inherent hierarchy of power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago I'm aware that it's not linear, but it's also not a 2 axis grid, either. There are generally groups of ideologies based on what class they represent, and the methods they use. Left and right are more for shorthand. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago I'm aware that it's not linear, but it's also not a 2 axis grid, either. There are generally groups of ideologies based on what class they represent, and the methods they use. Left and right are more for shorthand. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Capitalism ends where left begins. I'm not sure if you're gatekeeping or just generalizing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Neither. The left/right divide is Socialism/Capitalism. There are various Overton Windows, ie what is considered left or right when compared to an areas median, like Liberalism being left of the American median despite being a right-wing, Capitalist ideology. Anarchism, Communism, Marxism, and other forms of Socialism are leftist, while Liberalism, Social Democracy, and fascism are rightist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Uh. Okay. If you say so. I wasn't going to say anything about the No True Scotsman fallacy, but you really did force my hand with that last one. That's outright silly, and a pretty vile attempt to coerce conformity out of of other progressives who don't align with your perspective on economics by thinking you can label them "right-wing" for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How would you propose left/right be divided, if not by the commonly accepted mechanics by which they differ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm so glad you asked. commonly accepted mechanics I'm beginning to feel a little gas-lit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That refers to the Overton Window, as you can see it's generally just vibes, and not actual measurable mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. I must've missed that because I don't care about this conversation at all. Labels were never my thing to begin with. But you can call me right-wing if it makes you feel better, as long as I get to keep my trans boyfriend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You asked me, so I answered. Personally, I think left/right is hopelessly reductive, it ties too many unrelated things together, and says nothing of social views, of which you're presumably very progressive despite right wing economic views. That's why I wouldn't call you "right wing" before I called you a liberal, which I'm sure we are both comfortable with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, you're the expert. I personally couldn't care less about economics. There are too many things to be right and passionate about for me to start worrying about all that theoretical insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago That's fine, never said you had to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Neither. The left/right divide is Socialism/Capitalism. There are various Overton Windows, ie what is considered left or right when compared to an areas median, like Liberalism being left of the American median despite being a right-wing, Capitalist ideology. Anarchism, Communism, Marxism, and other forms of Socialism are leftist, while Liberalism, Social Democracy, and fascism are rightist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Uh. Okay. If you say so. I wasn't going to say anything about the No True Scotsman fallacy, but you really did force my hand with that last one. That's outright silly, and a pretty vile attempt to coerce conformity out of of other progressives who don't align with your perspective on economics by thinking you can label them "right-wing" for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How would you propose left/right be divided, if not by the commonly accepted mechanics by which they differ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm so glad you asked. commonly accepted mechanics I'm beginning to feel a little gas-lit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That refers to the Overton Window, as you can see it's generally just vibes, and not actual measurable mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. I must've missed that because I don't care about this conversation at all. Labels were never my thing to begin with. But you can call me right-wing if it makes you feel better, as long as I get to keep my trans boyfriend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You asked me, so I answered. Personally, I think left/right is hopelessly reductive, it ties too many unrelated things together, and says nothing of social views, of which you're presumably very progressive despite right wing economic views. That's why I wouldn't call you "right wing" before I called you a liberal, which I'm sure we are both comfortable with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, you're the expert. I personally couldn't care less about economics. There are too many things to be right and passionate about for me to start worrying about all that theoretical insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago That's fine, never said you had to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Uh. Okay. If you say so. I wasn't going to say anything about the No True Scotsman fallacy, but you really did force my hand with that last one. That's outright silly, and a pretty vile attempt to coerce conformity out of of other progressives who don't align with your perspective on economics by thinking you can label them "right-wing" for it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How would you propose left/right be divided, if not by the commonly accepted mechanics by which they differ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm so glad you asked. commonly accepted mechanics I'm beginning to feel a little gas-lit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That refers to the Overton Window, as you can see it's generally just vibes, and not actual measurable mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. I must've missed that because I don't care about this conversation at all. Labels were never my thing to begin with. But you can call me right-wing if it makes you feel better, as long as I get to keep my trans boyfriend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You asked me, so I answered. Personally, I think left/right is hopelessly reductive, it ties too many unrelated things together, and says nothing of social views, of which you're presumably very progressive despite right wing economic views. That's why I wouldn't call you "right wing" before I called you a liberal, which I'm sure we are both comfortable with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, you're the expert. I personally couldn't care less about economics. There are too many things to be right and passionate about for me to start worrying about all that theoretical insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago That's fine, never said you had to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) How would you propose left/right be divided, if not by the commonly accepted mechanics by which they differ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm so glad you asked. commonly accepted mechanics I'm beginning to feel a little gas-lit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That refers to the Overton Window, as you can see it's generally just vibes, and not actual measurable mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. I must've missed that because I don't care about this conversation at all. Labels were never my thing to begin with. But you can call me right-wing if it makes you feel better, as long as I get to keep my trans boyfriend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You asked me, so I answered. Personally, I think left/right is hopelessly reductive, it ties too many unrelated things together, and says nothing of social views, of which you're presumably very progressive despite right wing economic views. That's why I wouldn't call you "right wing" before I called you a liberal, which I'm sure we are both comfortable with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, you're the expert. I personally couldn't care less about economics. There are too many things to be right and passionate about for me to start worrying about all that theoretical insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago That's fine, never said you had to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I'm so glad you asked. commonly accepted mechanics I'm beginning to feel a little gas-lit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That refers to the Overton Window, as you can see it's generally just vibes, and not actual measurable mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. I must've missed that because I don't care about this conversation at all. Labels were never my thing to begin with. But you can call me right-wing if it makes you feel better, as long as I get to keep my trans boyfriend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You asked me, so I answered. Personally, I think left/right is hopelessly reductive, it ties too many unrelated things together, and says nothing of social views, of which you're presumably very progressive despite right wing economic views. That's why I wouldn't call you "right wing" before I called you a liberal, which I'm sure we are both comfortable with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, you're the expert. I personally couldn't care less about economics. There are too many things to be right and passionate about for me to start worrying about all that theoretical insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago That's fine, never said you had to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That refers to the Overton Window, as you can see it's generally just vibes, and not actual measurable mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. I must've missed that because I don't care about this conversation at all. Labels were never my thing to begin with. But you can call me right-wing if it makes you feel better, as long as I get to keep my trans boyfriend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You asked me, so I answered. Personally, I think left/right is hopelessly reductive, it ties too many unrelated things together, and says nothing of social views, of which you're presumably very progressive despite right wing economic views. That's why I wouldn't call you "right wing" before I called you a liberal, which I'm sure we are both comfortable with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, you're the expert. I personally couldn't care less about economics. There are too many things to be right and passionate about for me to start worrying about all that theoretical insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago That's fine, never said you had to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. I must've missed that because I don't care about this conversation at all. Labels were never my thing to begin with. But you can call me right-wing if it makes you feel better, as long as I get to keep my trans boyfriend. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You asked me, so I answered. Personally, I think left/right is hopelessly reductive, it ties too many unrelated things together, and says nothing of social views, of which you're presumably very progressive despite right wing economic views. That's why I wouldn't call you "right wing" before I called you a liberal, which I'm sure we are both comfortable with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, you're the expert. I personally couldn't care less about economics. There are too many things to be right and passionate about for me to start worrying about all that theoretical insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago That's fine, never said you had to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You asked me, so I answered. Personally, I think left/right is hopelessly reductive, it ties too many unrelated things together, and says nothing of social views, of which you're presumably very progressive despite right wing economic views. That's why I wouldn't call you "right wing" before I called you a liberal, which I'm sure we are both comfortable with. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, you're the expert. I personally couldn't care less about economics. There are too many things to be right and passionate about for me to start worrying about all that theoretical insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago That's fine, never said you had to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SexWithDogs@infosec.pub -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Hey, you're the expert. I personally couldn't care less about economics. There are too many things to be right and passionate about for me to start worrying about all that theoretical insanity. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago That's fine, never said you had to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago That's fine, never said you had to. permalink fedilink source parent
