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[–] Granixo@feddit.cl 14 points 2 years ago (4 children) The difference being? permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 123 points 2 years ago (4 children) I'm guessing he's saying companies are still using the same human written code, but since AI is sexy right now and is being used to describe even simple programming logic, everything is "powered by AI" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 50 points 2 years ago (1 child) And in 2013 the key word for marketing was algorithm. The YouTube algorithm. The reddit algorithm. Etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Automation 😄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Internet-ready permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Spray and pray! permalink fedilink source parent [–] fidodo@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago That was true like 5 years ago, but now companies are just irresponsibly calling out to LLMs as a function without proper safe guards instead. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kautau@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Even more likely is that AI’s that write code are trained on human created code. So they aren’t coming up with new, novel ideas to problems in most cases, they are just a far more advanced “copy and paste from StackOverflow” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zuhayr@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) “copy and paste from StackOverflow” I feel violated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kautau@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Hey just remember the classic Quora answer: https://www.quora.com/Why-should-I-hire-a-software-engineer-if-I-can-just-copy-and-paste-code-from-Stack-Overflow They are paying $100,000. $1 to copy and paste code from stack overflow, and $99,999 to know where and when to paste the code and how to make it work. Domain knowledge is real, and AI might level that up, but you’ll be hard pressed to find a junior engineer armed with the same tools as a senior engineer that gets dropped into a gig and can properly utilize AI or even StackOverflow to be on the same playing field. AI can write me a function. But to figure how broken a legacy codebase is and how that function can solve an issue is why engineers are still valuable…for now permalink fedilink source parent [–] r00ty@kbin.life 3 points 2 years ago I've heard this talk where I work. Senior plebs describing things that are obviously algorithms as AI. And this of course means we had AI before it was cool. Nothing new here. Buzzwords are the only thing senior managers can understand. permalink fedilink source parent [–] alphacyberranger@lemmy.world [S] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's exactly the point. It's just how companies market their products nowadays. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kittenbridgeasteroid@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I mean, true AI isn't really a thing yet. People have been using AI wrong for a very long time now. Even ChatGPT isn't real AI. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fidodo@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nobody can seem to consistently define what ai even means permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] docAvid@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Inevitable. AI is Artificial Intelligence. Nobody can define intelligence, so how can they define an artificial variety? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can define intellegence by referring to all the very intelligent people online 🧠 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zuhayr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thank you for your service permalink fedilink source parent [–] kameecoding@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nobody can define intelligence umm, star trek? https://youtu.be/ol2WP0hc0NY?t=33 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/ol2WP0hc0NY?t=33 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jadero@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago It's a "gaps" problem. Creationism has the "god of the gaps" where every new fossil forces them to set the goalposts closer together. The people who think that human intelligence is something special have to adjust the spacing on the goalposts every time a corvid solves a new problem and every time someone figures out how to make a computer do something new. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theycallmebeez@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) ChatGPT is built upon a GPT language model, which is a type of Artificial Intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) (This isn't my opinion, just saying what I think they are) They are saying it's not intelligent in any way though. It sees a bunch of words as numbers and spits out some new numbers that the prediction algorithm creates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) What you're thinking of as AI is actually a narrower version, while true intelligence is termed AGI. Explanation: The term 'AI' (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, like recognizing patterns or making decisions. However, most AI systems are specialized and focused on specific tasks. On the other hand, 'AGI' (Artificial General Intelligence) refers to a higher level of AI that possesses human-like cognitive abilities. AGI systems would be capable of understanding, learning, and applying knowledge across a wide range of tasks, much like us. So, the distinction lies in the breadth of capabilities: AI refers to more specialized, task-focused systems, while AGI represents a more versatile and human-like intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlinkAndItsGone@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The term ‘AI’ (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, That's everything computers do, though, isn't it? Pocket calculators would have fit this definition of AI in the 1970s. In the '60s, "computer" was a human job title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unless your pocket calculator can recognise patterns or make decisions, it doesn't fit the description. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qwertyasdef@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago Really? I would argue that pocket calculators are AI permalink fedilink source parent [–] jadero@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago Fair enough. What evidence have you got that it's any different than what humans do? Have you looked around? How many people can you point to that are not just regurgitating or iterating or recombining or rearranging or taking the next step? As far as I can tell, much of what we call intelligent activity can be performed by computer software and the gaps get smaller every year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That’s not how ChatGPT works. GPT is an LLM that use RNN. An RNN (Recurrent neural network) is not an algorithm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It's not artificially intelligent either permalink fedilink source parent [–] kittenbridgeasteroid@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but a neural network is just a collection of ML algorithms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Yea, but not really. The algorithms are available for free, but they don’t do anything useful by themselves. The RNN is built by training the neural net, which uses grading/classification of training data to increase or decrease millions of coefficients of a multi-layer filter. It’s the training data, the classification feedback and the processing power that actually creates the AI. permalink fedilink source parent [–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 12 points 2 years ago* the computer wrote the 2nd one on accident when someone asked it to bake a cake. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mp3@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago Bullshit vs Bullshit² permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 123 points 2 years ago (4 children) I'm guessing he's saying companies are still using the same human written code, but since AI is sexy right now and is being used to describe even simple programming logic, everything is "powered by AI" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 50 points 2 years ago (1 child) And in 2013 the key word for marketing was algorithm. The YouTube algorithm. The reddit algorithm. Etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Automation 😄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Internet-ready permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Spray and pray! permalink fedilink source parent [–] fidodo@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago That was true like 5 years ago, but now companies are just irresponsibly calling out to LLMs as a function without proper safe guards instead. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kautau@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Even more likely is that AI’s that write code are trained on human created code. So they aren’t coming up with new, novel ideas to problems in most cases, they are just a far more advanced “copy and paste from StackOverflow” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zuhayr@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) “copy and paste from StackOverflow” I feel violated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kautau@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Hey just remember the classic Quora answer: https://www.quora.com/Why-should-I-hire-a-software-engineer-if-I-can-just-copy-and-paste-code-from-Stack-Overflow They are paying $100,000. $1 to copy and paste code from stack overflow, and $99,999 to know where and when to paste the code and how to make it work. Domain knowledge is real, and AI might level that up, but you’ll be hard pressed to find a junior engineer armed with the same tools as a senior engineer that gets dropped into a gig and can properly utilize AI or even StackOverflow to be on the same playing field. AI can write me a function. But to figure how broken a legacy codebase is and how that function can solve an issue is why engineers are still valuable…for now permalink fedilink source parent [–] r00ty@kbin.life 3 points 2 years ago I've heard this talk where I work. Senior plebs describing things that are obviously algorithms as AI. And this of course means we had AI before it was cool. Nothing new here. Buzzwords are the only thing senior managers can understand. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 50 points 2 years ago (1 child) And in 2013 the key word for marketing was algorithm. The YouTube algorithm. The reddit algorithm. Etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Automation 😄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Internet-ready permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Spray and pray! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thisisnotgoingwell@programming.dev 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Automation 😄 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Internet-ready permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Spray and pray! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) Internet-ready permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Spray and pray! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fidodo@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago That was true like 5 years ago, but now companies are just irresponsibly calling out to LLMs as a function without proper safe guards instead. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kautau@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Even more likely is that AI’s that write code are trained on human created code. So they aren’t coming up with new, novel ideas to problems in most cases, they are just a far more advanced “copy and paste from StackOverflow” permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zuhayr@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) “copy and paste from StackOverflow” I feel violated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kautau@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Hey just remember the classic Quora answer: https://www.quora.com/Why-should-I-hire-a-software-engineer-if-I-can-just-copy-and-paste-code-from-Stack-Overflow They are paying $100,000. $1 to copy and paste code from stack overflow, and $99,999 to know where and when to paste the code and how to make it work. Domain knowledge is real, and AI might level that up, but you’ll be hard pressed to find a junior engineer armed with the same tools as a senior engineer that gets dropped into a gig and can properly utilize AI or even StackOverflow to be on the same playing field. AI can write me a function. But to figure how broken a legacy codebase is and how that function can solve an issue is why engineers are still valuable…for now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zuhayr@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) “copy and paste from StackOverflow” I feel violated permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kautau@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Hey just remember the classic Quora answer: https://www.quora.com/Why-should-I-hire-a-software-engineer-if-I-can-just-copy-and-paste-code-from-Stack-Overflow They are paying $100,000. $1 to copy and paste code from stack overflow, and $99,999 to know where and when to paste the code and how to make it work. Domain knowledge is real, and AI might level that up, but you’ll be hard pressed to find a junior engineer armed with the same tools as a senior engineer that gets dropped into a gig and can properly utilize AI or even StackOverflow to be on the same playing field. AI can write me a function. But to figure how broken a legacy codebase is and how that function can solve an issue is why engineers are still valuable…for now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kautau@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Hey just remember the classic Quora answer: https://www.quora.com/Why-should-I-hire-a-software-engineer-if-I-can-just-copy-and-paste-code-from-Stack-Overflow They are paying $100,000. $1 to copy and paste code from stack overflow, and $99,999 to know where and when to paste the code and how to make it work. Domain knowledge is real, and AI might level that up, but you’ll be hard pressed to find a junior engineer armed with the same tools as a senior engineer that gets dropped into a gig and can properly utilize AI or even StackOverflow to be on the same playing field. AI can write me a function. But to figure how broken a legacy codebase is and how that function can solve an issue is why engineers are still valuable…for now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] r00ty@kbin.life 3 points 2 years ago I've heard this talk where I work. Senior plebs describing things that are obviously algorithms as AI. And this of course means we had AI before it was cool. Nothing new here. Buzzwords are the only thing senior managers can understand. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] alphacyberranger@lemmy.world [S] 31 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's exactly the point. It's just how companies market their products nowadays. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kittenbridgeasteroid@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I mean, true AI isn't really a thing yet. People have been using AI wrong for a very long time now. Even ChatGPT isn't real AI. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fidodo@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nobody can seem to consistently define what ai even means permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] docAvid@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Inevitable. AI is Artificial Intelligence. Nobody can define intelligence, so how can they define an artificial variety? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can define intellegence by referring to all the very intelligent people online 🧠 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zuhayr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thank you for your service permalink fedilink source parent [–] kameecoding@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nobody can define intelligence umm, star trek? https://youtu.be/ol2WP0hc0NY?t=33 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/ol2WP0hc0NY?t=33 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jadero@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago It's a "gaps" problem. Creationism has the "god of the gaps" where every new fossil forces them to set the goalposts closer together. The people who think that human intelligence is something special have to adjust the spacing on the goalposts every time a corvid solves a new problem and every time someone figures out how to make a computer do something new. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theycallmebeez@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) ChatGPT is built upon a GPT language model, which is a type of Artificial Intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) (This isn't my opinion, just saying what I think they are) They are saying it's not intelligent in any way though. It sees a bunch of words as numbers and spits out some new numbers that the prediction algorithm creates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) What you're thinking of as AI is actually a narrower version, while true intelligence is termed AGI. Explanation: The term 'AI' (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, like recognizing patterns or making decisions. However, most AI systems are specialized and focused on specific tasks. On the other hand, 'AGI' (Artificial General Intelligence) refers to a higher level of AI that possesses human-like cognitive abilities. AGI systems would be capable of understanding, learning, and applying knowledge across a wide range of tasks, much like us. So, the distinction lies in the breadth of capabilities: AI refers to more specialized, task-focused systems, while AGI represents a more versatile and human-like intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlinkAndItsGone@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The term ‘AI’ (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, That's everything computers do, though, isn't it? Pocket calculators would have fit this definition of AI in the 1970s. In the '60s, "computer" was a human job title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unless your pocket calculator can recognise patterns or make decisions, it doesn't fit the description. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qwertyasdef@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago Really? I would argue that pocket calculators are AI permalink fedilink source parent [–] jadero@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago Fair enough. What evidence have you got that it's any different than what humans do? Have you looked around? How many people can you point to that are not just regurgitating or iterating or recombining or rearranging or taking the next step? As far as I can tell, much of what we call intelligent activity can be performed by computer software and the gaps get smaller every year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That’s not how ChatGPT works. GPT is an LLM that use RNN. An RNN (Recurrent neural network) is not an algorithm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It's not artificially intelligent either permalink fedilink source parent [–] kittenbridgeasteroid@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but a neural network is just a collection of ML algorithms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Yea, but not really. The algorithms are available for free, but they don’t do anything useful by themselves. The RNN is built by training the neural net, which uses grading/classification of training data to increase or decrease millions of coefficients of a multi-layer filter. It’s the training data, the classification feedback and the processing power that actually creates the AI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kittenbridgeasteroid@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) I mean, true AI isn't really a thing yet. People have been using AI wrong for a very long time now. Even ChatGPT isn't real AI. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fidodo@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nobody can seem to consistently define what ai even means permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] docAvid@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Inevitable. AI is Artificial Intelligence. Nobody can define intelligence, so how can they define an artificial variety? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can define intellegence by referring to all the very intelligent people online 🧠 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zuhayr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thank you for your service permalink fedilink source parent [–] kameecoding@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nobody can define intelligence umm, star trek? https://youtu.be/ol2WP0hc0NY?t=33 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/ol2WP0hc0NY?t=33 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jadero@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago It's a "gaps" problem. Creationism has the "god of the gaps" where every new fossil forces them to set the goalposts closer together. The people who think that human intelligence is something special have to adjust the spacing on the goalposts every time a corvid solves a new problem and every time someone figures out how to make a computer do something new. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theycallmebeez@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) ChatGPT is built upon a GPT language model, which is a type of Artificial Intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) (This isn't my opinion, just saying what I think they are) They are saying it's not intelligent in any way though. It sees a bunch of words as numbers and spits out some new numbers that the prediction algorithm creates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) What you're thinking of as AI is actually a narrower version, while true intelligence is termed AGI. Explanation: The term 'AI' (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, like recognizing patterns or making decisions. However, most AI systems are specialized and focused on specific tasks. On the other hand, 'AGI' (Artificial General Intelligence) refers to a higher level of AI that possesses human-like cognitive abilities. AGI systems would be capable of understanding, learning, and applying knowledge across a wide range of tasks, much like us. So, the distinction lies in the breadth of capabilities: AI refers to more specialized, task-focused systems, while AGI represents a more versatile and human-like intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlinkAndItsGone@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The term ‘AI’ (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, That's everything computers do, though, isn't it? Pocket calculators would have fit this definition of AI in the 1970s. In the '60s, "computer" was a human job title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unless your pocket calculator can recognise patterns or make decisions, it doesn't fit the description. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qwertyasdef@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago Really? I would argue that pocket calculators are AI permalink fedilink source parent [–] jadero@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago Fair enough. What evidence have you got that it's any different than what humans do? Have you looked around? How many people can you point to that are not just regurgitating or iterating or recombining or rearranging or taking the next step? As far as I can tell, much of what we call intelligent activity can be performed by computer software and the gaps get smaller every year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That’s not how ChatGPT works. GPT is an LLM that use RNN. An RNN (Recurrent neural network) is not an algorithm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It's not artificially intelligent either permalink fedilink source parent [–] kittenbridgeasteroid@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but a neural network is just a collection of ML algorithms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Yea, but not really. The algorithms are available for free, but they don’t do anything useful by themselves. The RNN is built by training the neural net, which uses grading/classification of training data to increase or decrease millions of coefficients of a multi-layer filter. It’s the training data, the classification feedback and the processing power that actually creates the AI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fidodo@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nobody can seem to consistently define what ai even means permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] docAvid@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Inevitable. AI is Artificial Intelligence. Nobody can define intelligence, so how can they define an artificial variety? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can define intellegence by referring to all the very intelligent people online 🧠 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zuhayr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thank you for your service permalink fedilink source parent [–] kameecoding@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nobody can define intelligence umm, star trek? https://youtu.be/ol2WP0hc0NY?t=33 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/ol2WP0hc0NY?t=33 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jadero@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago It's a "gaps" problem. Creationism has the "god of the gaps" where every new fossil forces them to set the goalposts closer together. The people who think that human intelligence is something special have to adjust the spacing on the goalposts every time a corvid solves a new problem and every time someone figures out how to make a computer do something new. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] docAvid@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Inevitable. AI is Artificial Intelligence. Nobody can define intelligence, so how can they define an artificial variety? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can define intellegence by referring to all the very intelligent people online 🧠 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zuhayr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thank you for your service permalink fedilink source parent [–] kameecoding@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nobody can define intelligence umm, star trek? https://youtu.be/ol2WP0hc0NY?t=33 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/ol2WP0hc0NY?t=33 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can define intellegence by referring to all the very intelligent people online 🧠 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zuhayr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Thank you for your service permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] kameecoding@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nobody can define intelligence umm, star trek? https://youtu.be/ol2WP0hc0NY?t=33 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [B] 1 point 2 years ago Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/ol2WP0hc0NY?t=33 Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube. I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] jadero@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago It's a "gaps" problem. Creationism has the "god of the gaps" where every new fossil forces them to set the goalposts closer together. The people who think that human intelligence is something special have to adjust the spacing on the goalposts every time a corvid solves a new problem and every time someone figures out how to make a computer do something new. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theycallmebeez@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) ChatGPT is built upon a GPT language model, which is a type of Artificial Intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) (This isn't my opinion, just saying what I think they are) They are saying it's not intelligent in any way though. It sees a bunch of words as numbers and spits out some new numbers that the prediction algorithm creates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) What you're thinking of as AI is actually a narrower version, while true intelligence is termed AGI. Explanation: The term 'AI' (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, like recognizing patterns or making decisions. However, most AI systems are specialized and focused on specific tasks. On the other hand, 'AGI' (Artificial General Intelligence) refers to a higher level of AI that possesses human-like cognitive abilities. AGI systems would be capable of understanding, learning, and applying knowledge across a wide range of tasks, much like us. So, the distinction lies in the breadth of capabilities: AI refers to more specialized, task-focused systems, while AGI represents a more versatile and human-like intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlinkAndItsGone@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The term ‘AI’ (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, That's everything computers do, though, isn't it? Pocket calculators would have fit this definition of AI in the 1970s. In the '60s, "computer" was a human job title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unless your pocket calculator can recognise patterns or make decisions, it doesn't fit the description. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qwertyasdef@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago Really? I would argue that pocket calculators are AI permalink fedilink source parent [–] jadero@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago Fair enough. What evidence have you got that it's any different than what humans do? Have you looked around? How many people can you point to that are not just regurgitating or iterating or recombining or rearranging or taking the next step? As far as I can tell, much of what we call intelligent activity can be performed by computer software and the gaps get smaller every year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That’s not how ChatGPT works. GPT is an LLM that use RNN. An RNN (Recurrent neural network) is not an algorithm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It's not artificially intelligent either permalink fedilink source parent [–] kittenbridgeasteroid@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but a neural network is just a collection of ML algorithms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Yea, but not really. The algorithms are available for free, but they don’t do anything useful by themselves. The RNN is built by training the neural net, which uses grading/classification of training data to increase or decrease millions of coefficients of a multi-layer filter. It’s the training data, the classification feedback and the processing power that actually creates the AI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) (This isn't my opinion, just saying what I think they are) They are saying it's not intelligent in any way though. It sees a bunch of words as numbers and spits out some new numbers that the prediction algorithm creates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) What you're thinking of as AI is actually a narrower version, while true intelligence is termed AGI. Explanation: The term 'AI' (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, like recognizing patterns or making decisions. However, most AI systems are specialized and focused on specific tasks. On the other hand, 'AGI' (Artificial General Intelligence) refers to a higher level of AI that possesses human-like cognitive abilities. AGI systems would be capable of understanding, learning, and applying knowledge across a wide range of tasks, much like us. So, the distinction lies in the breadth of capabilities: AI refers to more specialized, task-focused systems, while AGI represents a more versatile and human-like intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlinkAndItsGone@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The term ‘AI’ (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, That's everything computers do, though, isn't it? Pocket calculators would have fit this definition of AI in the 1970s. In the '60s, "computer" was a human job title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unless your pocket calculator can recognise patterns or make decisions, it doesn't fit the description. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qwertyasdef@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago Really? I would argue that pocket calculators are AI permalink fedilink source parent [–] jadero@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago Fair enough. What evidence have you got that it's any different than what humans do? Have you looked around? How many people can you point to that are not just regurgitating or iterating or recombining or rearranging or taking the next step? As far as I can tell, much of what we call intelligent activity can be performed by computer software and the gaps get smaller every year. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That’s not how ChatGPT works. GPT is an LLM that use RNN. An RNN (Recurrent neural network) is not an algorithm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It's not artificially intelligent either permalink fedilink source parent [–] kittenbridgeasteroid@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but a neural network is just a collection of ML algorithms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Yea, but not really. The algorithms are available for free, but they don’t do anything useful by themselves. The RNN is built by training the neural net, which uses grading/classification of training data to increase or decrease millions of coefficients of a multi-layer filter. It’s the training data, the classification feedback and the processing power that actually creates the AI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) What you're thinking of as AI is actually a narrower version, while true intelligence is termed AGI. Explanation: The term 'AI' (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, like recognizing patterns or making decisions. However, most AI systems are specialized and focused on specific tasks. On the other hand, 'AGI' (Artificial General Intelligence) refers to a higher level of AI that possesses human-like cognitive abilities. AGI systems would be capable of understanding, learning, and applying knowledge across a wide range of tasks, much like us. So, the distinction lies in the breadth of capabilities: AI refers to more specialized, task-focused systems, while AGI represents a more versatile and human-like intelligence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BlinkAndItsGone@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The term ‘AI’ (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, That's everything computers do, though, isn't it? Pocket calculators would have fit this definition of AI in the 1970s. In the '60s, "computer" was a human job title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unless your pocket calculator can recognise patterns or make decisions, it doesn't fit the description. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qwertyasdef@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago Really? I would argue that pocket calculators are AI permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BlinkAndItsGone@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The term ‘AI’ (Artificial Intelligence) refers to computer systems that can perform tasks that would typically require human intelligence, That's everything computers do, though, isn't it? Pocket calculators would have fit this definition of AI in the 1970s. In the '60s, "computer" was a human job title. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unless your pocket calculator can recognise patterns or make decisions, it doesn't fit the description. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qwertyasdef@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago Really? I would argue that pocket calculators are AI permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LoafyLemon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unless your pocket calculator can recognise patterns or make decisions, it doesn't fit the description. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] qwertyasdef@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago Really? I would argue that pocket calculators are AI permalink fedilink source parent
[–] qwertyasdef@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago Really? I would argue that pocket calculators are AI permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jadero@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago Fair enough. What evidence have you got that it's any different than what humans do? Have you looked around? How many people can you point to that are not just regurgitating or iterating or recombining or rearranging or taking the next step? As far as I can tell, much of what we call intelligent activity can be performed by computer software and the gaps get smaller every year. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That’s not how ChatGPT works. GPT is an LLM that use RNN. An RNN (Recurrent neural network) is not an algorithm. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It's not artificially intelligent either permalink fedilink source parent [–] kittenbridgeasteroid@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but a neural network is just a collection of ML algorithms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Yea, but not really. The algorithms are available for free, but they don’t do anything useful by themselves. The RNN is built by training the neural net, which uses grading/classification of training data to increase or decrease millions of coefficients of a multi-layer filter. It’s the training data, the classification feedback and the processing power that actually creates the AI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It's not artificially intelligent either permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kittenbridgeasteroid@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but a neural network is just a collection of ML algorithms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Yea, but not really. The algorithms are available for free, but they don’t do anything useful by themselves. The RNN is built by training the neural net, which uses grading/classification of training data to increase or decrease millions of coefficients of a multi-layer filter. It’s the training data, the classification feedback and the processing power that actually creates the AI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Yendor@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago Yea, but not really. The algorithms are available for free, but they don’t do anything useful by themselves. The RNN is built by training the neural net, which uses grading/classification of training data to increase or decrease millions of coefficients of a multi-layer filter. It’s the training data, the classification feedback and the processing power that actually creates the AI. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 12 points 2 years ago* the computer wrote the 2nd one on accident when someone asked it to bake a cake. permalink fedilink source parent