Let's also start removing phrases with white, yellow and brown as those are used to refer to people's skin colour as well.

The only reason I would even contemplate not using blacklist or white washing is if an actual person of that skin colour says that it is not okay for them, or there's an actual consensus among people of that community that it isn't acceptable.

I can tell you as a person with brown skin, with brownie or whatever used as a derogatory name, almost everyone I know isn't even concerned with terms like brown out or brown note.

Online outrages or articles aren't an accurate depiction of reality.

Even more dangerously, shit like this drives outrage and diverts attention from actual, real issues faced by people of different races. Like not having stuff to eat or indoor plumbing or mental health infrastructure or access to health care.

not only that but whitelist-blacklist are just bad names.

even greenlist-redlist would be better (at least while we have light signals at intersections) as green means go red means stop are more universally understood.

but allowlist and blocklist are just plain better, they are self explanatory words. you don't need to learn what they mean since it's right there in the name.

whitelist-blacklist are names where you need to learn the meaning of them, sticking to them just because they were used in the past is not the best argument.

Never liked these debates as "making the words comfortable (to myself, others or both)" (from both sides) matters most.

I find that usimg that soundbyte results in people (including me) to not knowing the cultures your refering to and most without being informed assume that their irrelivant (Hence the original reactionary response). Since the debate has in bad faith on nobody's intent became about "comfort", ill give that perspective.

Personally, Allowlist and blocklist "just work" (no discomfort). Blacklist and Whitelist are natural feeling and I fully understood the soundbyte reason. For that I can respect depricating the word but banning it (if thats even the goal) is uncomfortable. Ill happly abandon my position if a good argument is given. For now I subconciosly use what word was already there.

Edit: boilerplate is way too harsh, dont like conforntational tone.

They are sort of necessary because people understand what they mean. How about we change the words for skin color instead.