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[–] SmokeInFog@midwest.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) They're literally doing that right now, though permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -5 points 2 years ago (4 children) They're fighting against NATO expansion to Russia's border which they have been warning against for over a decade now. Even Stoltenberg admits this now: The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that. So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yet the main reason countries at Russia's border want to join NATO is to not get attacked by Russia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nah, the main reason is that their political systems have been captured by US, while propaganda groups like the NED have poured billions into trying to shape public opinion. Yet, despite all that we're now starting to see a huge backlash against all that from the public. The massive farmer protests are just the start of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh wow, it's the tankie version of US exceptionalism where the US controls everything and is all powerful. The US had like zero influence in the baltics when they joined, same for Georgia when they wanted to join. Not sure how farmer protests are involved but I hope you know that the vast majority of farmers in those protests are just people who own the farm. They don't actually work those farms and the protests so far have been against climate regulations that cut into their profit margin. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Image believing that US had zero influence in the Baltics despite all the evidence to the contrary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Imagine not knowing the history of the baltics permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) looks like you don't have to imagine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds pretty inflammatory, your a nasty one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) learn to spell kid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Ouch, what a pain, kid permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope, not true, but provide no facts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is publicly available information. Spend a bit of time learning how google works instead of trolling here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your talking about the bits which don't support your 'facts'. Unless your looking at what's publicly available in Russia. Troll off, troll permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago get a better script 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I thought Putin said it was because "Ukraine is a neo-nazi regime"? No, wait, he said it was because the west were using Ukraine to base their weapons Oh, nevermind, I forgot that there is no such thing as Ukraine, it's all part of Russia Oh, or is it because the west are gay paedophilic gender-neutral-god-worshipping heathens Or was it because Ukraine was planning to pretend Russia nuked them first so that they could actually declare war on Russia Ah, was it to defend Donetsk and Luhansk's independence? Or are they part of Russia? Or is it that Ukraine has a government with no control, where the streets of Kiev are a lawless purge? I seem to have lost track of why he's invading. Could you clarify for me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ukraine being a neo-nazi regime doing ethnic cleansing in Donbas and planning to host NATO weapons that can strike within Russia are precisely in line with the problem of NATO expansion. Incredible that you're unable to understand how a single overarching problem can have multiple aspects to it. Hope that clarified things for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And how do the gay paedophile heretics fit into your overarching problem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait till you find out what the banderite stance on gay pedophile heretics is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Piss off putin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you 😂 https://lemmy.ml/comment/8653212 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dead link? Link to the current article? Doesn't work for me, but do you want to go history game russian troll? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago it's a link to your own comment, you're so bad at trolling 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [+] catloaf@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) The same reason US would be against Russia turning Mexico into a battering ram against US. Meanwhile, the idea that Russia wants to take back former Soviet states is so utterly laughable. It already took Russia two years just to take on the NATO proxy in Ukraine. It's pretty clear that it would be a far bigger effort to actually take on NATO directly. Anybody with a functioning brain can see that the whole idea is absurd. Yet, here you are... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're deluded. Attack the opponent to win the argument, that's how logic works. You can't think for yourself, but you call that freedom. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've made clear arguments and even provided supporting sources, if you have trouble understanding them that's not my problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay, I disagree with that. Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) We've already established that you lack basic reading comprehension lol, but thinks for confirming that again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, I re-read it now. You are correct, fml. I misread the comment you made, and fucking was annoying. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent [+] catloaf@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) NATO has literally been expanding and invading countries for decades. Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria are just few examples. In fact, US currently occupies a larger portion of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine. Claiming that NATO is a defensive alliance is the height of intellectual dishonesty. And let's just look at a few facts about Crimea from a US government study. First thing to note is that it was never part of Ukraine proper. US government referred to it as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Second thing to note is that majority of the people in Crimea do not consider themselves Ukrainian, and the biggest demographic considers themselves Russian: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) None of those were NATO. It wasn't a NATO decision or responsibility. Each country involved made their own choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 10 points 2 years ago Why would you lie like that. Not only were these NATO adventures, what Russia is doing in Ukraine is directly modelled on what NATO did to Yugoslavia where NATO recognized separatist regions and had them invite NATO to help. That's what Russia did with LPR and DPR. Just following the rules based order there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe when they are using the exact line if putin, they may be a human, but essentially a bot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) or maybe they just don't have any actual point to make and run around smearing people instead, which always seems to be the case with liberals permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Everything you've written in this thread is a smear. Also, not a lib, but I'm not precious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) do be specific what you're claiming I've written that's a smear permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Go first, answer one thing I've sent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You haven't answered a single thing, you just made childish personal attacks. Thanks for providing ample evidence to support my point though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not true, but that's the truth of the Russian arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/8677732 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Also good work mods! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -5 points 2 years ago (4 children) They're fighting against NATO expansion to Russia's border which they have been warning against for over a decade now. Even Stoltenberg admits this now: The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that. So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yet the main reason countries at Russia's border want to join NATO is to not get attacked by Russia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nah, the main reason is that their political systems have been captured by US, while propaganda groups like the NED have poured billions into trying to shape public opinion. Yet, despite all that we're now starting to see a huge backlash against all that from the public. The massive farmer protests are just the start of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh wow, it's the tankie version of US exceptionalism where the US controls everything and is all powerful. The US had like zero influence in the baltics when they joined, same for Georgia when they wanted to join. Not sure how farmer protests are involved but I hope you know that the vast majority of farmers in those protests are just people who own the farm. They don't actually work those farms and the protests so far have been against climate regulations that cut into their profit margin. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Image believing that US had zero influence in the Baltics despite all the evidence to the contrary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Imagine not knowing the history of the baltics permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) looks like you don't have to imagine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds pretty inflammatory, your a nasty one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) learn to spell kid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Ouch, what a pain, kid permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope, not true, but provide no facts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is publicly available information. Spend a bit of time learning how google works instead of trolling here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your talking about the bits which don't support your 'facts'. Unless your looking at what's publicly available in Russia. Troll off, troll permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago get a better script 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I thought Putin said it was because "Ukraine is a neo-nazi regime"? No, wait, he said it was because the west were using Ukraine to base their weapons Oh, nevermind, I forgot that there is no such thing as Ukraine, it's all part of Russia Oh, or is it because the west are gay paedophilic gender-neutral-god-worshipping heathens Or was it because Ukraine was planning to pretend Russia nuked them first so that they could actually declare war on Russia Ah, was it to defend Donetsk and Luhansk's independence? Or are they part of Russia? Or is it that Ukraine has a government with no control, where the streets of Kiev are a lawless purge? I seem to have lost track of why he's invading. Could you clarify for me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ukraine being a neo-nazi regime doing ethnic cleansing in Donbas and planning to host NATO weapons that can strike within Russia are precisely in line with the problem of NATO expansion. Incredible that you're unable to understand how a single overarching problem can have multiple aspects to it. Hope that clarified things for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And how do the gay paedophile heretics fit into your overarching problem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait till you find out what the banderite stance on gay pedophile heretics is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Piss off putin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you 😂 https://lemmy.ml/comment/8653212 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dead link? Link to the current article? Doesn't work for me, but do you want to go history game russian troll? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago it's a link to your own comment, you're so bad at trolling 😂 permalink fedilink source parent [+] catloaf@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) The same reason US would be against Russia turning Mexico into a battering ram against US. Meanwhile, the idea that Russia wants to take back former Soviet states is so utterly laughable. It already took Russia two years just to take on the NATO proxy in Ukraine. It's pretty clear that it would be a far bigger effort to actually take on NATO directly. Anybody with a functioning brain can see that the whole idea is absurd. Yet, here you are... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're deluded. Attack the opponent to win the argument, that's how logic works. You can't think for yourself, but you call that freedom. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've made clear arguments and even provided supporting sources, if you have trouble understanding them that's not my problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay, I disagree with that. Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) We've already established that you lack basic reading comprehension lol, but thinks for confirming that again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, I re-read it now. You are correct, fml. I misread the comment you made, and fucking was annoying. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent [+] catloaf@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) NATO has literally been expanding and invading countries for decades. Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria are just few examples. In fact, US currently occupies a larger portion of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine. Claiming that NATO is a defensive alliance is the height of intellectual dishonesty. And let's just look at a few facts about Crimea from a US government study. First thing to note is that it was never part of Ukraine proper. US government referred to it as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Second thing to note is that majority of the people in Crimea do not consider themselves Ukrainian, and the biggest demographic considers themselves Russian: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) None of those were NATO. It wasn't a NATO decision or responsibility. Each country involved made their own choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 10 points 2 years ago Why would you lie like that. Not only were these NATO adventures, what Russia is doing in Ukraine is directly modelled on what NATO did to Yugoslavia where NATO recognized separatist regions and had them invite NATO to help. That's what Russia did with LPR and DPR. Just following the rules based order there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [+] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe when they are using the exact line if putin, they may be a human, but essentially a bot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) or maybe they just don't have any actual point to make and run around smearing people instead, which always seems to be the case with liberals permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Everything you've written in this thread is a smear. Also, not a lib, but I'm not precious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) do be specific what you're claiming I've written that's a smear permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Go first, answer one thing I've sent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You haven't answered a single thing, you just made childish personal attacks. Thanks for providing ample evidence to support my point though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not true, but that's the truth of the Russian arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/8677732 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Also good work mods! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yet the main reason countries at Russia's border want to join NATO is to not get attacked by Russia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nah, the main reason is that their political systems have been captured by US, while propaganda groups like the NED have poured billions into trying to shape public opinion. Yet, despite all that we're now starting to see a huge backlash against all that from the public. The massive farmer protests are just the start of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh wow, it's the tankie version of US exceptionalism where the US controls everything and is all powerful. The US had like zero influence in the baltics when they joined, same for Georgia when they wanted to join. Not sure how farmer protests are involved but I hope you know that the vast majority of farmers in those protests are just people who own the farm. They don't actually work those farms and the protests so far have been against climate regulations that cut into their profit margin. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Image believing that US had zero influence in the Baltics despite all the evidence to the contrary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Imagine not knowing the history of the baltics permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) looks like you don't have to imagine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds pretty inflammatory, your a nasty one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) learn to spell kid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Ouch, what a pain, kid permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope, not true, but provide no facts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is publicly available information. Spend a bit of time learning how google works instead of trolling here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your talking about the bits which don't support your 'facts'. Unless your looking at what's publicly available in Russia. Troll off, troll permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago get a better script 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Nah, the main reason is that their political systems have been captured by US, while propaganda groups like the NED have poured billions into trying to shape public opinion. Yet, despite all that we're now starting to see a huge backlash against all that from the public. The massive farmer protests are just the start of that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh wow, it's the tankie version of US exceptionalism where the US controls everything and is all powerful. The US had like zero influence in the baltics when they joined, same for Georgia when they wanted to join. Not sure how farmer protests are involved but I hope you know that the vast majority of farmers in those protests are just people who own the farm. They don't actually work those farms and the protests so far have been against climate regulations that cut into their profit margin. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Image believing that US had zero influence in the Baltics despite all the evidence to the contrary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Imagine not knowing the history of the baltics permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) looks like you don't have to imagine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds pretty inflammatory, your a nasty one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) learn to spell kid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Ouch, what a pain, kid permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope, not true, but provide no facts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is publicly available information. Spend a bit of time learning how google works instead of trolling here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your talking about the bits which don't support your 'facts'. Unless your looking at what's publicly available in Russia. Troll off, troll permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago get a better script 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Oh wow, it's the tankie version of US exceptionalism where the US controls everything and is all powerful. The US had like zero influence in the baltics when they joined, same for Georgia when they wanted to join. Not sure how farmer protests are involved but I hope you know that the vast majority of farmers in those protests are just people who own the farm. They don't actually work those farms and the protests so far have been against climate regulations that cut into their profit margin. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Image believing that US had zero influence in the Baltics despite all the evidence to the contrary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Imagine not knowing the history of the baltics permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) looks like you don't have to imagine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds pretty inflammatory, your a nasty one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) learn to spell kid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Ouch, what a pain, kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Image believing that US had zero influence in the Baltics despite all the evidence to the contrary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Imagine not knowing the history of the baltics permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) looks like you don't have to imagine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds pretty inflammatory, your a nasty one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) learn to spell kid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Ouch, what a pain, kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Imagine not knowing the history of the baltics permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) looks like you don't have to imagine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds pretty inflammatory, your a nasty one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) learn to spell kid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Ouch, what a pain, kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) looks like you don't have to imagine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds pretty inflammatory, your a nasty one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) learn to spell kid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Ouch, what a pain, kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds pretty inflammatory, your a nasty one permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) learn to spell kid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Ouch, what a pain, kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) learn to spell kid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Ouch, what a pain, kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Ouch, what a pain, kid permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nope, not true, but provide no facts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is publicly available information. Spend a bit of time learning how google works instead of trolling here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your talking about the bits which don't support your 'facts'. Unless your looking at what's publicly available in Russia. Troll off, troll permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago get a better script 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) This is publicly available information. Spend a bit of time learning how google works instead of trolling here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your talking about the bits which don't support your 'facts'. Unless your looking at what's publicly available in Russia. Troll off, troll permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago get a better script 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Your talking about the bits which don't support your 'facts'. Unless your looking at what's publicly available in Russia. Troll off, troll permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago get a better script 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago get a better script 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I thought Putin said it was because "Ukraine is a neo-nazi regime"? No, wait, he said it was because the west were using Ukraine to base their weapons Oh, nevermind, I forgot that there is no such thing as Ukraine, it's all part of Russia Oh, or is it because the west are gay paedophilic gender-neutral-god-worshipping heathens Or was it because Ukraine was planning to pretend Russia nuked them first so that they could actually declare war on Russia Ah, was it to defend Donetsk and Luhansk's independence? Or are they part of Russia? Or is it that Ukraine has a government with no control, where the streets of Kiev are a lawless purge? I seem to have lost track of why he's invading. Could you clarify for me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ukraine being a neo-nazi regime doing ethnic cleansing in Donbas and planning to host NATO weapons that can strike within Russia are precisely in line with the problem of NATO expansion. Incredible that you're unable to understand how a single overarching problem can have multiple aspects to it. Hope that clarified things for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And how do the gay paedophile heretics fit into your overarching problem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait till you find out what the banderite stance on gay pedophile heretics is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Piss off putin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you 😂 https://lemmy.ml/comment/8653212 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dead link? Link to the current article? Doesn't work for me, but do you want to go history game russian troll? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago it's a link to your own comment, you're so bad at trolling 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ukraine being a neo-nazi regime doing ethnic cleansing in Donbas and planning to host NATO weapons that can strike within Russia are precisely in line with the problem of NATO expansion. Incredible that you're unable to understand how a single overarching problem can have multiple aspects to it. Hope that clarified things for you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And how do the gay paedophile heretics fit into your overarching problem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait till you find out what the banderite stance on gay pedophile heretics is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Piss off putin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you 😂 https://lemmy.ml/comment/8653212 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dead link? Link to the current article? Doesn't work for me, but do you want to go history game russian troll? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago it's a link to your own comment, you're so bad at trolling 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) And how do the gay paedophile heretics fit into your overarching problem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait till you find out what the banderite stance on gay pedophile heretics is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Wait till you find out what the banderite stance on gay pedophile heretics is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Piss off putin permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you 😂 https://lemmy.ml/comment/8653212 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dead link? Link to the current article? Doesn't work for me, but do you want to go history game russian troll? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago it's a link to your own comment, you're so bad at trolling 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you 😂 https://lemmy.ml/comment/8653212 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dead link? Link to the current article? Doesn't work for me, but do you want to go history game russian troll? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago it's a link to your own comment, you're so bad at trolling 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Dead link? Link to the current article? Doesn't work for me, but do you want to go history game russian troll? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago it's a link to your own comment, you're so bad at trolling 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago it's a link to your own comment, you're so bad at trolling 😂 permalink fedilink source parent
[+] catloaf@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) The same reason US would be against Russia turning Mexico into a battering ram against US. Meanwhile, the idea that Russia wants to take back former Soviet states is so utterly laughable. It already took Russia two years just to take on the NATO proxy in Ukraine. It's pretty clear that it would be a far bigger effort to actually take on NATO directly. Anybody with a functioning brain can see that the whole idea is absurd. Yet, here you are... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're deluded. Attack the opponent to win the argument, that's how logic works. You can't think for yourself, but you call that freedom. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've made clear arguments and even provided supporting sources, if you have trouble understanding them that's not my problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay, I disagree with that. Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) We've already established that you lack basic reading comprehension lol, but thinks for confirming that again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, I re-read it now. You are correct, fml. I misread the comment you made, and fucking was annoying. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent [+] catloaf@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) NATO has literally been expanding and invading countries for decades. Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria are just few examples. In fact, US currently occupies a larger portion of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine. Claiming that NATO is a defensive alliance is the height of intellectual dishonesty. And let's just look at a few facts about Crimea from a US government study. First thing to note is that it was never part of Ukraine proper. US government referred to it as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Second thing to note is that majority of the people in Crimea do not consider themselves Ukrainian, and the biggest demographic considers themselves Russian: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) None of those were NATO. It wasn't a NATO decision or responsibility. Each country involved made their own choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 10 points 2 years ago Why would you lie like that. Not only were these NATO adventures, what Russia is doing in Ukraine is directly modelled on what NATO did to Yugoslavia where NATO recognized separatist regions and had them invite NATO to help. That's what Russia did with LPR and DPR. Just following the rules based order there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) The same reason US would be against Russia turning Mexico into a battering ram against US. Meanwhile, the idea that Russia wants to take back former Soviet states is so utterly laughable. It already took Russia two years just to take on the NATO proxy in Ukraine. It's pretty clear that it would be a far bigger effort to actually take on NATO directly. Anybody with a functioning brain can see that the whole idea is absurd. Yet, here you are... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're deluded. Attack the opponent to win the argument, that's how logic works. You can't think for yourself, but you call that freedom. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've made clear arguments and even provided supporting sources, if you have trouble understanding them that's not my problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay, I disagree with that. Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) We've already established that you lack basic reading comprehension lol, but thinks for confirming that again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, I re-read it now. You are correct, fml. I misread the comment you made, and fucking was annoying. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent [+] catloaf@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) NATO has literally been expanding and invading countries for decades. Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria are just few examples. In fact, US currently occupies a larger portion of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine. Claiming that NATO is a defensive alliance is the height of intellectual dishonesty. And let's just look at a few facts about Crimea from a US government study. First thing to note is that it was never part of Ukraine proper. US government referred to it as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Second thing to note is that majority of the people in Crimea do not consider themselves Ukrainian, and the biggest demographic considers themselves Russian: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) None of those were NATO. It wasn't a NATO decision or responsibility. Each country involved made their own choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 10 points 2 years ago Why would you lie like that. Not only were these NATO adventures, what Russia is doing in Ukraine is directly modelled on what NATO did to Yugoslavia where NATO recognized separatist regions and had them invite NATO to help. That's what Russia did with LPR and DPR. Just following the rules based order there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're deluded. Attack the opponent to win the argument, that's how logic works. You can't think for yourself, but you call that freedom. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've made clear arguments and even provided supporting sources, if you have trouble understanding them that's not my problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay, I disagree with that. Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) We've already established that you lack basic reading comprehension lol, but thinks for confirming that again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, I re-read it now. You are correct, fml. I misread the comment you made, and fucking was annoying. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I've made clear arguments and even provided supporting sources, if you have trouble understanding them that's not my problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay, I disagree with that. Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) We've already established that you lack basic reading comprehension lol, but thinks for confirming that again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, I re-read it now. You are correct, fml. I misread the comment you made, and fucking was annoying. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Okay, I disagree with that. Lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) We've already established that you lack basic reading comprehension lol, but thinks for confirming that again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, I re-read it now. You are correct, fml. I misread the comment you made, and fucking was annoying. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) We've already established that you lack basic reading comprehension lol, but thinks for confirming that again. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, I re-read it now. You are correct, fml. I misread the comment you made, and fucking was annoying. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Yeah, I re-read it now. You are correct, fml. I misread the comment you made, and fucking was annoying. Sorry. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] catloaf@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) NATO has literally been expanding and invading countries for decades. Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria are just few examples. In fact, US currently occupies a larger portion of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine. Claiming that NATO is a defensive alliance is the height of intellectual dishonesty. And let's just look at a few facts about Crimea from a US government study. First thing to note is that it was never part of Ukraine proper. US government referred to it as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Second thing to note is that majority of the people in Crimea do not consider themselves Ukrainian, and the biggest demographic considers themselves Russian: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) None of those were NATO. It wasn't a NATO decision or responsibility. Each country involved made their own choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 10 points 2 years ago Why would you lie like that. Not only were these NATO adventures, what Russia is doing in Ukraine is directly modelled on what NATO did to Yugoslavia where NATO recognized separatist regions and had them invite NATO to help. That's what Russia did with LPR and DPR. Just following the rules based order there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) NATO has literally been expanding and invading countries for decades. Yugoslavia, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria are just few examples. In fact, US currently occupies a larger portion of Syria than Russia is of Ukraine. Claiming that NATO is a defensive alliance is the height of intellectual dishonesty. And let's just look at a few facts about Crimea from a US government study. First thing to note is that it was never part of Ukraine proper. US government referred to it as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Second thing to note is that majority of the people in Crimea do not consider themselves Ukrainian, and the biggest demographic considers themselves Russian: permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) None of those were NATO. It wasn't a NATO decision or responsibility. Each country involved made their own choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 10 points 2 years ago Why would you lie like that. Not only were these NATO adventures, what Russia is doing in Ukraine is directly modelled on what NATO did to Yugoslavia where NATO recognized separatist regions and had them invite NATO to help. That's what Russia did with LPR and DPR. Just following the rules based order there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[+] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al -8 points 2 years ago (2 children) None of those were NATO. It wasn't a NATO decision or responsibility. Each country involved made their own choices. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 10 points 2 years ago Why would you lie like that. Not only were these NATO adventures, what Russia is doing in Ukraine is directly modelled on what NATO did to Yugoslavia where NATO recognized separatist regions and had them invite NATO to help. That's what Russia did with LPR and DPR. Just following the rules based order there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksynwa@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 10 points 2 years ago Why would you lie like that. Not only were these NATO adventures, what Russia is doing in Ukraine is directly modelled on what NATO did to Yugoslavia where NATO recognized separatist regions and had them invite NATO to help. That's what Russia did with LPR and DPR. Just following the rules based order there. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com -6 points 2 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe when they are using the exact line if putin, they may be a human, but essentially a bot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) or maybe they just don't have any actual point to make and run around smearing people instead, which always seems to be the case with liberals permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Everything you've written in this thread is a smear. Also, not a lib, but I'm not precious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) do be specific what you're claiming I've written that's a smear permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Go first, answer one thing I've sent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You haven't answered a single thing, you just made childish personal attacks. Thanks for providing ample evidence to support my point though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not true, but that's the truth of the Russian arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/8677732 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Also good work mods! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe when they are using the exact line if putin, they may be a human, but essentially a bot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) or maybe they just don't have any actual point to make and run around smearing people instead, which always seems to be the case with liberals permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Everything you've written in this thread is a smear. Also, not a lib, but I'm not precious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) do be specific what you're claiming I've written that's a smear permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Go first, answer one thing I've sent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You haven't answered a single thing, you just made childish personal attacks. Thanks for providing ample evidence to support my point though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not true, but that's the truth of the Russian arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/8677732 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe when they are using the exact line if putin, they may be a human, but essentially a bot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) or maybe they just don't have any actual point to make and run around smearing people instead, which always seems to be the case with liberals permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Everything you've written in this thread is a smear. Also, not a lib, but I'm not precious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) do be specific what you're claiming I've written that's a smear permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Go first, answer one thing I've sent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You haven't answered a single thing, you just made childish personal attacks. Thanks for providing ample evidence to support my point though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not true, but that's the truth of the Russian arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/8677732 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) or maybe they just don't have any actual point to make and run around smearing people instead, which always seems to be the case with liberals permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Everything you've written in this thread is a smear. Also, not a lib, but I'm not precious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) do be specific what you're claiming I've written that's a smear permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Go first, answer one thing I've sent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You haven't answered a single thing, you just made childish personal attacks. Thanks for providing ample evidence to support my point though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not true, but that's the truth of the Russian arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/8677732 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Everything you've written in this thread is a smear. Also, not a lib, but I'm not precious. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) do be specific what you're claiming I've written that's a smear permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Go first, answer one thing I've sent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You haven't answered a single thing, you just made childish personal attacks. Thanks for providing ample evidence to support my point though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not true, but that's the truth of the Russian arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/8677732 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) do be specific what you're claiming I've written that's a smear permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Go first, answer one thing I've sent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You haven't answered a single thing, you just made childish personal attacks. Thanks for providing ample evidence to support my point though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not true, but that's the truth of the Russian arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/8677732 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Go first, answer one thing I've sent permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You haven't answered a single thing, you just made childish personal attacks. Thanks for providing ample evidence to support my point though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not true, but that's the truth of the Russian arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/8677732 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You haven't answered a single thing, you just made childish personal attacks. Thanks for providing ample evidence to support my point though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not true, but that's the truth of the Russian arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/8677732 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Not true, but that's the truth of the Russian arguments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/8677732 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) this you? https://lemmy.ml/comment/8677732 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* My fucking god. And that's why I shouldn't social media drunk. Sorry. I was wrong. I misread so hard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago Also good work mods! permalink fedilink source parent