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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

All this is a path to a police state.

In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

That's the solution.

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• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

• Adultification

• Cops aren't supposed to be smart

• Don't talk to the police.

• Killings by law enforcement in Canada

• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

• Killings by law enforcement in the United States

• Know your rights: Filming the police

• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

• Police lie under oath, a lot

• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

• So you wanna be a cop?

• When the police knock on your door

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• Black Lives Matter

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• Say Their Names

• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration

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[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

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[+] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world -18 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah.. This is the part about stating this in the wrong community. I'm just adding the "human" element into this.

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[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

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[+] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

This is my argument though. At least here (Denmark) you could be lucky and not get a ticket for this. I'd argue that you'd more likely not get a ticket as long as everything was civilised and both parts talked it out.

I understand that there are differences between cops and definetelly countries too, if it's true that according to an other comment you'd get **10 years for this!?!? **

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[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

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[+] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world -6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't even think killing someone would give 10 years here unless it was premeditated.

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[+] voracitude@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

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[–] Jerb322@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Look up assault and battery of an officer

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago

They are professionals who are supposed to be the most skilled drivers, shooters, and conflict resolvers on the beat. Bad policing is bad policing and the people that have been granted the ability to take away our freedoms and liberties at a moments notice need to be held to a higher standard.

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[–] 4am@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago

Humans don’t often lick boots as much.

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