Hi everyone! Since I was absolutely fucked by Skiff (thank fuck I didn’t pay for it) I’m looking for a new email provider :) I’m not sure I like how proton is transforming into a full on suit, I only need email. Any other recommendations or is proton my only choice really?

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[–] 55 points 2 years ago (3 children)

A provider having more than 50 users and offering more than one service doesn't make them evil. Use Proton. They are the best, and they're not likely to disappear. If you intentionally seek out small services because you think being an underdog is some sort of privacy merit badge, you'll get "absolutely fucked" over and over again.

Also, you should consider paying for the products you use to encourage sane and user-friendly business models. But that's a different discussion altogether.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    It’s not about “using an underdog”, I just like “do one thing and do it well” philosophy you know. I don’t need drives, calendars, vpn, password manager, in one thing. I want a simple email provider that’s it.

    Yeah skiff wasn’t like that but it seemed not too push it as much, just “hey it’s there you can use it” not full on products. Maybe I’m just being stupid about it idk

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You can simply ignore all of these other features. Proton offers an email-only plan.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (3 children)

    True… People also recommend having your own domain so I can switch easily in the future. Having my surname seems a bit… un-privacy-like lol Any recommendations for that?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    Paid subscription of Proton bundles SimpleLogin, an email aliasing service. So you can have your personal email with your surname, and when you want to sign up to some shady corpo site, you give them a randomly generated email address using SimpleLogin. All emails sent to that alias email will be automatically forwarded to your personal email. You can then disable the alias email anytime and stop receiving emails.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    I have both, a personal domain with my name and also an anonymous generic domain. I use the anonymous one for 90+% of my online stuff, and use a random unique address for every service (you can set up a wildcard in proton, so *@domain.org lands in the same inbox). I would recommend that for two reasons: if you own your anonymous domain you can move your mailprovider anytime (as opposed to using some email masking service), using unique addresses for every service enables you to easily figure out which one leaked your address if you start getting spam. Just make sure to use a generic name for the domain and dont get an exotic TLD (just get a .com .org or something). Some of the non traditional TLDs may negatively impact your spam scores, and its easy to find a .com or .org when you can literally choose any domain name you want.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Proton = No SMTP/IMAP support.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You can use Proton Mail Bridge to set up SMTP/IMAP with your email app of choice. Obviously, you’re still stuck with using the bridge app on your device in order to get it working.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Waiting for the day their business team devices the bridge is too much freedom you should get all locked-in.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If that were to happen, nothing is stopping users from exporting their emails elsewhere.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If that were to happen, nothing is stopping users from exporting their emails elsewhere.

    Yet. You're delusional, nothing is stopping people at gmail to move to another providers, yet they stay. And trust me gmail has a much better export and supports IMAP.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So your privacy-focused email provider recommendation is Gmail?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago*

    Obviously not, but just don't push proton. They're a company that resorts to predatory tactics and has zero respect for their users.

    For what's worth Lavabit (back before Snowden) had much higher standards than Proton when it comes to privacy and still supported open protocols like IMAP and SMTP. What Proton is doing is pushing for vendor lock-in at any possible point so you’re stuck with what they deem acceptable because it’s easier for them to build a service this way and makes more sense from a business / customer retention perspective.

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  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    proton requires them to use their software and adds a footer with protonmail ads to all of your emails without an option to disable it without paying up

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think you need to read up on the reasons why services like GMail and Facebook are free.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago*

    yes but they shouldn't be hiding that fact deep in the settings
    also I don't care about encryption and stuff if it prevents me from using my favorite mail client without installing their bridge software

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