Blue_Morpho comments on What quotes from children's media went hard as hell for no reason?

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

poorer long-term survival mechanism compared to courtship species.

Evolution doesn't care about ideal mechanics- only good enough. Rape was common in the ancient world. Rape happens today despite the long term survival favoring long term pairs.

Higher animals certainly possess more self-awareness than rocks

I was relating the spectrum of intelligence. That is human is to animal as animal is to rock. I didn't claim that animals have no awareness but that they are less than humans. So attributing nobility to what is really a lack of ability is like attributing nobility to a rock.

A rooster would plot and murder its neighbors if it had the intelligence and opposable thumbs to make weapons.

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[–] JohnnyEnzyme@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Evolution doesn’t care about ideal mechanics- only good enough. Rape was common in the ancient world. Rape happens today despite the long term survival favoring long term pairs.

There's certainly some facts & reality there, professor, but that still doesn't change the fundamental point which Adams' made, and I defended. It's like you're freely swinging from 'matters of proportion' to binary values in order to fit your argument.

So attributing nobility to what is really a lack of ability is like attributing nobility to a rock.

Which was a poor analogy from day one, considering the many permutations.
Also-- that's a pretty weird, tight-ass understanding of what Adams meant by "nobility."
Like, seriously...?

A rooster would plot and murder its neighbors if it had the intelligence and opposable thumbs to make weapons.

Okay, you win on that one-- I fear you're exactly right there; ala chickens being such unnecessary assholes towards each other and other creatures.

Tell you what, though-- feel free to have the last reply.
It's like you dance around a smidgen of a circuitous argument, but can never actually figure out what you're actually trying to say. (or think) Good luck, you.

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

but that still doesn’t change the fundamental point

A poster pointed out that animals aren't better than humans and will do anything they can get away with just like humans. You attempted to appeal to evolution which I refuted. The refutation means Adams is wrong. Animals are like humans because humans are animals too.