▲ 285 ▼ ISP Suggests That Record Labels Can Sue Torrent Client Developers * TorrentFreak (torrentfreak.com) submitted 2 years ago by aPirate@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 70 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Bipta@kbin.social 53 points 2 years ago (2 children) And pirates are using hardware to commit their dirty deeds! Maybe this is how technological society crumbles, one lawsuit at a time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lea@feddit.de 39 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's funny that you mention hardware, cause in Germany you pay a set fee for each device (13.19€ for a computer, 6.25€ for a phone) on purchase since it could be used to create copies of media. I'm just getting my money's worth, officer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) In Denmark it is lawful copies of a media. Problem is that almost all media is copyright protected and it is illegal to circumvent that. So essentially it is a free tax for the organization that represents the artists without any checks and balances to make sure those money actually get distributed to the artists afterwards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I from Denmark and I have no clue which law you are refering to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Law regarding fees on drives and the like: https://www.copydan-kulturplus.dk/presse/pressemeddelser/lovaendring-om-kompensation-for-privatkopiering-er-vedtaget-nye-medier-er-omfattet The law regarding circumvention of copyright measures is part of the copyright law, more specifically §75c stk. 1 & stk. 4: §75 c - It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures without the consent of the rightholder. [...] (4). Effective technological measures in subsections (1) and (2) shall mean any kind of effective technological measures which, in the normal course of their operation, are intended to protect works and other subject matter, etc. protected under this Act. Stk. 2 also creates some draconian rules that basically prohibits you from creating tools that help others circumvent copyright protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zaphod@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures Germany has a similar law and unless it was changed it is legal to circumvent ineffective technological measures which means if you can circumvent it it is ineffective, making the entire law kind of pointless, because how would you circumvent something that can't be circumvented. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago The Danish word "effektiv" I believe carries the meaning "not amateurishly put together" so it might be more of a grey zone leaning into illegal still. Some might after all still call a vaccine effective if it "only" prevents 95% of infections against a certain virus and has a 2% risk of certain moderate side effects. But interesting tid bit as it's also relevant in a Danish context. I didn't know about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Krait@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which fee are you referring to? Never heard of that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lea@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauschalabgabe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Krait@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago Danke! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago If I can prove that I downloaded a torrent of an AppleTV show on my Mac, will Apple sue itself? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lea@feddit.de 39 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's funny that you mention hardware, cause in Germany you pay a set fee for each device (13.19€ for a computer, 6.25€ for a phone) on purchase since it could be used to create copies of media. I'm just getting my money's worth, officer. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) In Denmark it is lawful copies of a media. Problem is that almost all media is copyright protected and it is illegal to circumvent that. So essentially it is a free tax for the organization that represents the artists without any checks and balances to make sure those money actually get distributed to the artists afterwards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I from Denmark and I have no clue which law you are refering to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Law regarding fees on drives and the like: https://www.copydan-kulturplus.dk/presse/pressemeddelser/lovaendring-om-kompensation-for-privatkopiering-er-vedtaget-nye-medier-er-omfattet The law regarding circumvention of copyright measures is part of the copyright law, more specifically §75c stk. 1 & stk. 4: §75 c - It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures without the consent of the rightholder. [...] (4). Effective technological measures in subsections (1) and (2) shall mean any kind of effective technological measures which, in the normal course of their operation, are intended to protect works and other subject matter, etc. protected under this Act. Stk. 2 also creates some draconian rules that basically prohibits you from creating tools that help others circumvent copyright protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zaphod@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures Germany has a similar law and unless it was changed it is legal to circumvent ineffective technological measures which means if you can circumvent it it is ineffective, making the entire law kind of pointless, because how would you circumvent something that can't be circumvented. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago The Danish word "effektiv" I believe carries the meaning "not amateurishly put together" so it might be more of a grey zone leaning into illegal still. Some might after all still call a vaccine effective if it "only" prevents 95% of infections against a certain virus and has a 2% risk of certain moderate side effects. But interesting tid bit as it's also relevant in a Danish context. I didn't know about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Krait@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which fee are you referring to? Never heard of that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lea@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauschalabgabe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Krait@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago Danke! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) In Denmark it is lawful copies of a media. Problem is that almost all media is copyright protected and it is illegal to circumvent that. So essentially it is a free tax for the organization that represents the artists without any checks and balances to make sure those money actually get distributed to the artists afterwards. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] themurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I from Denmark and I have no clue which law you are refering to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Law regarding fees on drives and the like: https://www.copydan-kulturplus.dk/presse/pressemeddelser/lovaendring-om-kompensation-for-privatkopiering-er-vedtaget-nye-medier-er-omfattet The law regarding circumvention of copyright measures is part of the copyright law, more specifically §75c stk. 1 & stk. 4: §75 c - It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures without the consent of the rightholder. [...] (4). Effective technological measures in subsections (1) and (2) shall mean any kind of effective technological measures which, in the normal course of their operation, are intended to protect works and other subject matter, etc. protected under this Act. Stk. 2 also creates some draconian rules that basically prohibits you from creating tools that help others circumvent copyright protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zaphod@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures Germany has a similar law and unless it was changed it is legal to circumvent ineffective technological measures which means if you can circumvent it it is ineffective, making the entire law kind of pointless, because how would you circumvent something that can't be circumvented. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago The Danish word "effektiv" I believe carries the meaning "not amateurishly put together" so it might be more of a grey zone leaning into illegal still. Some might after all still call a vaccine effective if it "only" prevents 95% of infections against a certain virus and has a 2% risk of certain moderate side effects. But interesting tid bit as it's also relevant in a Danish context. I didn't know about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I from Denmark and I have no clue which law you are refering to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Law regarding fees on drives and the like: https://www.copydan-kulturplus.dk/presse/pressemeddelser/lovaendring-om-kompensation-for-privatkopiering-er-vedtaget-nye-medier-er-omfattet The law regarding circumvention of copyright measures is part of the copyright law, more specifically §75c stk. 1 & stk. 4: §75 c - It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures without the consent of the rightholder. [...] (4). Effective technological measures in subsections (1) and (2) shall mean any kind of effective technological measures which, in the normal course of their operation, are intended to protect works and other subject matter, etc. protected under this Act. Stk. 2 also creates some draconian rules that basically prohibits you from creating tools that help others circumvent copyright protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zaphod@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures Germany has a similar law and unless it was changed it is legal to circumvent ineffective technological measures which means if you can circumvent it it is ineffective, making the entire law kind of pointless, because how would you circumvent something that can't be circumvented. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago The Danish word "effektiv" I believe carries the meaning "not amateurishly put together" so it might be more of a grey zone leaning into illegal still. Some might after all still call a vaccine effective if it "only" prevents 95% of infections against a certain virus and has a 2% risk of certain moderate side effects. But interesting tid bit as it's also relevant in a Danish context. I didn't know about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Law regarding fees on drives and the like: https://www.copydan-kulturplus.dk/presse/pressemeddelser/lovaendring-om-kompensation-for-privatkopiering-er-vedtaget-nye-medier-er-omfattet The law regarding circumvention of copyright measures is part of the copyright law, more specifically §75c stk. 1 & stk. 4: §75 c - It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures without the consent of the rightholder. [...] (4). Effective technological measures in subsections (1) and (2) shall mean any kind of effective technological measures which, in the normal course of their operation, are intended to protect works and other subject matter, etc. protected under this Act. Stk. 2 also creates some draconian rules that basically prohibits you from creating tools that help others circumvent copyright protection. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zaphod@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures Germany has a similar law and unless it was changed it is legal to circumvent ineffective technological measures which means if you can circumvent it it is ineffective, making the entire law kind of pointless, because how would you circumvent something that can't be circumvented. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago The Danish word "effektiv" I believe carries the meaning "not amateurishly put together" so it might be more of a grey zone leaning into illegal still. Some might after all still call a vaccine effective if it "only" prevents 95% of infections against a certain virus and has a 2% risk of certain moderate side effects. But interesting tid bit as it's also relevant in a Danish context. I didn't know about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zaphod@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is not permitted to circumvent effective technological measures Germany has a similar law and unless it was changed it is legal to circumvent ineffective technological measures which means if you can circumvent it it is ineffective, making the entire law kind of pointless, because how would you circumvent something that can't be circumvented. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago The Danish word "effektiv" I believe carries the meaning "not amateurishly put together" so it might be more of a grey zone leaning into illegal still. Some might after all still call a vaccine effective if it "only" prevents 95% of infections against a certain virus and has a 2% risk of certain moderate side effects. But interesting tid bit as it's also relevant in a Danish context. I didn't know about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 2 points 2 years ago The Danish word "effektiv" I believe carries the meaning "not amateurishly put together" so it might be more of a grey zone leaning into illegal still. Some might after all still call a vaccine effective if it "only" prevents 95% of infections against a certain virus and has a 2% risk of certain moderate side effects. But interesting tid bit as it's also relevant in a Danish context. I didn't know about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Krait@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which fee are you referring to? Never heard of that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lea@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauschalabgabe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Krait@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago Danke! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lea@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauschalabgabe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Krait@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 2 years ago Danke! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago If I can prove that I downloaded a torrent of an AppleTV show on my Mac, will Apple sue itself? permalink fedilink source parent