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[–] 58008@lemmy.world 140 points 2 years ago (13 children) Imagine using Chrome in 2024. permalink fedilink source hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (22 children) I have found a lot of websites over the last few months acting up if I'm using Firefox. I have chrome for work and if I switch they work flawlessly. It's small things like menus not expanding or elements not loading. There's a push on unifying browsers. I've been Firefox and duckduckgo for years and it's getting a bit annoying. Obviously the trade off is worth it I do not want the big tech products but finding good alternatives is getting hard. DDG has gone downhill in recent years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 years ago (16 children) Everyone says “problems with websites in Firefox!” Nobody has examples permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 27 child comments replies: [–] flying_gel@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I use Firefox on Linux and FreeBSD for my daily driver. I was not able to book flights on Thai airways website 6 months ago until I loaded it in chrome/chromium instead. It's really really rare imo but that's one example in recent history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That sounds more like an issue with them using some proprietary browser bullshit than a problem with Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) But what, practically, is the difference? If more and more websites use shit that only works in Chrome or Chromium based browsers, the effect is the same. The web doesn't work as well for Firefox users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child) One is a browser following web standards and the other is a shitty company adding non-standards based development features intended to lock users into there browsers. It was shitty when Microsoft did the non-standard features to lock in with Internet Exporer and it is shitty that Chrome does it now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago It's shitty for sure, and I definitely think Chrome needs to die, or at least have better competition. Sadly, not enough users are using non-chromium browsers, that they don't see a problem with using chrome only features. It sucks, and it's going to lead (is leading) to the further enshitification of the web. I'm doing my part by using Firefox, and any web application I develop is guaranteed to work in Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (7 children) Not a very big website, but the service my therapist uses for teletherapy doesn't support anything outside of chromium. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago try switching your user agent. it'll likely work fine. red medical will act up if you don't use a chromium browser. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies) [–] Nyanix@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) Wow, that random news article I hit 16 days ago where the page kept flickering and reloading, but didn't do that when I copied the URL into Brave... I really should've recorded that domain so I could defend myself against some stranger online! Sarcasm aside, I don't think it's generally the major websites that you bump into this with, however, there are many edge cases that occur for plenty of folks, whether they're in college and have to use that "secure browser" extension that only supports Chrome, or the fact that some websites, especially in business, that simply refuse to support browser and will prevent access otherwise. I'm a Firefox user, so this isn't to say that Chromium is the way by any means, but hopefully to shine a little light on the fact that we're all on different parts of the web with different experiences, questioning their experiences so that you can hopefully find an extension or something to pin the blame them does not absolve them of their experience, just a show of elitism. Firefox HAS gotten much better, but unfortunately, Capitalism's gonna Capitalism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] AlexTheAnnihilator@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I couldn't submit a support ticket for id.me (the IRS' stupid commercial partner for Identity verification) when using Firefox, the submit button literally did not work. Worked fine when switching to edge (blegh). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oh, and I can't seem to get tiktok videos to play on Firefox on Android? Not a major issue, but my sister keeps sending them to me in particular for some reason, so... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yup I've noticed that too. I don't have tiktok personally but I get links from friends and sometimes I have to open them in the duckduckgo browser (chromium based) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve always had TikTok blocked so I maybe o idea about that Also a privacy browser not allowing the least private thing ever? Colour me shocked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago I mean, yeah. I'm none too bothered by that one, but it's still an example. permalink fedilink source parent [–] neshura@bookwormstory.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Example: The meeting webservice my bank uses is for whatever reason blocked for Firefox. Not sure if they just User-Agent check but they consciously block out Firefox users. I alerted my bank person about that but I doubt that's going to be any different next time I have a meeting with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The search in the Walmart site has only been working on and off (mostly off) in Firefox, but consistently in Chrome. There's also some webpages for my university that only work in Chrome Edit: looks like the Walmart search is working now though for me. The only reason I even have duckduckgo browser is because walmart.com was giving me issues on Firefox permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1984@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago* I was about to say this. I never find any websites that doesnt work with Firefox so I'm genuinely curious. I bet it's their ad blocker, or they have set their Firefox settings to the privacy level that says "this will break some web sites". permalink fedilink source parent [–] herrherrmann@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago I remember whipping out Vivaldi (which is Chrome-based) for booking a ticket on the Interrail website: https://www.interrail.eu/en I haven’t fiddled much with weaker privacy/ad-blocking settings though, because I didn’t have the patience for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I just gave you an example of menus not expanding. I'm not dogging Firefox I'm saying there is a consorted effort made to reduce it's usefulness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] egerlach@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) DDG has gone downhill in recent years. Not as much as Google though, so I've been feeling like it's been getting better and better, but it's just a comparative feeling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To me it's worrying because it is where Google was when I jumped ship for DDG. I am getting tailored results that I do not want. Everything I search even with location off gives me local to very local responses. If I open a link and then go back to the results page all the results have changed order. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://webcompat.com/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago Huh, never heard of this before. Thank you for mentioning it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snooggums@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Firefox + uBlock Origin and I have no issues with any websites. Which ones are you having issues with and what is happening? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago their workplace is probably developing whatever website they use for chrome exclusively, mine does that too and it sucks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago You have to complain if your work does chrome specific stuff. permalink fedilink source parent [–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 3 points 2 years ago Sometimes those websites lied that they don't support Firefox. For example, google meet didn't support background blur on Firefox? Change the user agent to chrome and it suddenly worked! As for simple stuff such as menu or elements not loading, it's usually the dev copy pasted outdated code/css that uses WebKit/Bink-specific prefix even though Firefox already support them if they removed the prefix. Nothing we can do about that except pestering the dev to fix it or overriding it yourself using some css overrides extension. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (16 replies) [–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago They talk about it doing this for Firefox too. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies)
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (22 children) I have found a lot of websites over the last few months acting up if I'm using Firefox. I have chrome for work and if I switch they work flawlessly. It's small things like menus not expanding or elements not loading. There's a push on unifying browsers. I've been Firefox and duckduckgo for years and it's getting a bit annoying. Obviously the trade off is worth it I do not want the big tech products but finding good alternatives is getting hard. DDG has gone downhill in recent years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 28 child comments replies: [–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 years ago (16 children) Everyone says “problems with websites in Firefox!” Nobody has examples permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 27 child comments replies: [–] flying_gel@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I use Firefox on Linux and FreeBSD for my daily driver. I was not able to book flights on Thai airways website 6 months ago until I loaded it in chrome/chromium instead. It's really really rare imo but that's one example in recent history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That sounds more like an issue with them using some proprietary browser bullshit than a problem with Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) But what, practically, is the difference? If more and more websites use shit that only works in Chrome or Chromium based browsers, the effect is the same. The web doesn't work as well for Firefox users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child) One is a browser following web standards and the other is a shitty company adding non-standards based development features intended to lock users into there browsers. It was shitty when Microsoft did the non-standard features to lock in with Internet Exporer and it is shitty that Chrome does it now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago It's shitty for sure, and I definitely think Chrome needs to die, or at least have better competition. Sadly, not enough users are using non-chromium browsers, that they don't see a problem with using chrome only features. It sucks, and it's going to lead (is leading) to the further enshitification of the web. I'm doing my part by using Firefox, and any web application I develop is guaranteed to work in Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (7 children) Not a very big website, but the service my therapist uses for teletherapy doesn't support anything outside of chromium. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago try switching your user agent. it'll likely work fine. red medical will act up if you don't use a chromium browser. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies) [–] Nyanix@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) Wow, that random news article I hit 16 days ago where the page kept flickering and reloading, but didn't do that when I copied the URL into Brave... I really should've recorded that domain so I could defend myself against some stranger online! Sarcasm aside, I don't think it's generally the major websites that you bump into this with, however, there are many edge cases that occur for plenty of folks, whether they're in college and have to use that "secure browser" extension that only supports Chrome, or the fact that some websites, especially in business, that simply refuse to support browser and will prevent access otherwise. I'm a Firefox user, so this isn't to say that Chromium is the way by any means, but hopefully to shine a little light on the fact that we're all on different parts of the web with different experiences, questioning their experiences so that you can hopefully find an extension or something to pin the blame them does not absolve them of their experience, just a show of elitism. Firefox HAS gotten much better, but unfortunately, Capitalism's gonna Capitalism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] AlexTheAnnihilator@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I couldn't submit a support ticket for id.me (the IRS' stupid commercial partner for Identity verification) when using Firefox, the submit button literally did not work. Worked fine when switching to edge (blegh). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oh, and I can't seem to get tiktok videos to play on Firefox on Android? Not a major issue, but my sister keeps sending them to me in particular for some reason, so... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yup I've noticed that too. I don't have tiktok personally but I get links from friends and sometimes I have to open them in the duckduckgo browser (chromium based) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve always had TikTok blocked so I maybe o idea about that Also a privacy browser not allowing the least private thing ever? Colour me shocked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago I mean, yeah. I'm none too bothered by that one, but it's still an example. permalink fedilink source parent [–] neshura@bookwormstory.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Example: The meeting webservice my bank uses is for whatever reason blocked for Firefox. Not sure if they just User-Agent check but they consciously block out Firefox users. I alerted my bank person about that but I doubt that's going to be any different next time I have a meeting with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The search in the Walmart site has only been working on and off (mostly off) in Firefox, but consistently in Chrome. There's also some webpages for my university that only work in Chrome Edit: looks like the Walmart search is working now though for me. The only reason I even have duckduckgo browser is because walmart.com was giving me issues on Firefox permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1984@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago* I was about to say this. I never find any websites that doesnt work with Firefox so I'm genuinely curious. I bet it's their ad blocker, or they have set their Firefox settings to the privacy level that says "this will break some web sites". permalink fedilink source parent [–] herrherrmann@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago I remember whipping out Vivaldi (which is Chrome-based) for booking a ticket on the Interrail website: https://www.interrail.eu/en I haven’t fiddled much with weaker privacy/ad-blocking settings though, because I didn’t have the patience for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I just gave you an example of menus not expanding. I'm not dogging Firefox I'm saying there is a consorted effort made to reduce it's usefulness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies) [–] egerlach@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) DDG has gone downhill in recent years. Not as much as Google though, so I've been feeling like it's been getting better and better, but it's just a comparative feeling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To me it's worrying because it is where Google was when I jumped ship for DDG. I am getting tailored results that I do not want. Everything I search even with location off gives me local to very local responses. If I open a link and then go back to the results page all the results have changed order. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://webcompat.com/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago Huh, never heard of this before. Thank you for mentioning it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] snooggums@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Firefox + uBlock Origin and I have no issues with any websites. Which ones are you having issues with and what is happening? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago their workplace is probably developing whatever website they use for chrome exclusively, mine does that too and it sucks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago You have to complain if your work does chrome specific stuff. permalink fedilink source parent [–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 3 points 2 years ago Sometimes those websites lied that they don't support Firefox. For example, google meet didn't support background blur on Firefox? Change the user agent to chrome and it suddenly worked! As for simple stuff such as menu or elements not loading, it's usually the dev copy pasted outdated code/css that uses WebKit/Bink-specific prefix even though Firefox already support them if they removed the prefix. Nothing we can do about that except pestering the dev to fix it or overriding it yourself using some css overrides extension. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (16 replies)
[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 years ago (16 children) Everyone says “problems with websites in Firefox!” Nobody has examples permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 27 child comments replies: [–] flying_gel@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I use Firefox on Linux and FreeBSD for my daily driver. I was not able to book flights on Thai airways website 6 months ago until I loaded it in chrome/chromium instead. It's really really rare imo but that's one example in recent history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That sounds more like an issue with them using some proprietary browser bullshit than a problem with Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) But what, practically, is the difference? If more and more websites use shit that only works in Chrome or Chromium based browsers, the effect is the same. The web doesn't work as well for Firefox users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child) One is a browser following web standards and the other is a shitty company adding non-standards based development features intended to lock users into there browsers. It was shitty when Microsoft did the non-standard features to lock in with Internet Exporer and it is shitty that Chrome does it now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago It's shitty for sure, and I definitely think Chrome needs to die, or at least have better competition. Sadly, not enough users are using non-chromium browsers, that they don't see a problem with using chrome only features. It sucks, and it's going to lead (is leading) to the further enshitification of the web. I'm doing my part by using Firefox, and any web application I develop is guaranteed to work in Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (7 children) Not a very big website, but the service my therapist uses for teletherapy doesn't support anything outside of chromium. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago try switching your user agent. it'll likely work fine. red medical will act up if you don't use a chromium browser. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies) [–] Nyanix@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) Wow, that random news article I hit 16 days ago where the page kept flickering and reloading, but didn't do that when I copied the URL into Brave... I really should've recorded that domain so I could defend myself against some stranger online! Sarcasm aside, I don't think it's generally the major websites that you bump into this with, however, there are many edge cases that occur for plenty of folks, whether they're in college and have to use that "secure browser" extension that only supports Chrome, or the fact that some websites, especially in business, that simply refuse to support browser and will prevent access otherwise. I'm a Firefox user, so this isn't to say that Chromium is the way by any means, but hopefully to shine a little light on the fact that we're all on different parts of the web with different experiences, questioning their experiences so that you can hopefully find an extension or something to pin the blame them does not absolve them of their experience, just a show of elitism. Firefox HAS gotten much better, but unfortunately, Capitalism's gonna Capitalism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] AlexTheAnnihilator@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I couldn't submit a support ticket for id.me (the IRS' stupid commercial partner for Identity verification) when using Firefox, the submit button literally did not work. Worked fine when switching to edge (blegh). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oh, and I can't seem to get tiktok videos to play on Firefox on Android? Not a major issue, but my sister keeps sending them to me in particular for some reason, so... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yup I've noticed that too. I don't have tiktok personally but I get links from friends and sometimes I have to open them in the duckduckgo browser (chromium based) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve always had TikTok blocked so I maybe o idea about that Also a privacy browser not allowing the least private thing ever? Colour me shocked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago I mean, yeah. I'm none too bothered by that one, but it's still an example. permalink fedilink source parent [–] neshura@bookwormstory.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Example: The meeting webservice my bank uses is for whatever reason blocked for Firefox. Not sure if they just User-Agent check but they consciously block out Firefox users. I alerted my bank person about that but I doubt that's going to be any different next time I have a meeting with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The search in the Walmart site has only been working on and off (mostly off) in Firefox, but consistently in Chrome. There's also some webpages for my university that only work in Chrome Edit: looks like the Walmart search is working now though for me. The only reason I even have duckduckgo browser is because walmart.com was giving me issues on Firefox permalink fedilink source parent [–] 1984@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago* I was about to say this. I never find any websites that doesnt work with Firefox so I'm genuinely curious. I bet it's their ad blocker, or they have set their Firefox settings to the privacy level that says "this will break some web sites". permalink fedilink source parent [–] herrherrmann@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago I remember whipping out Vivaldi (which is Chrome-based) for booking a ticket on the Interrail website: https://www.interrail.eu/en I haven’t fiddled much with weaker privacy/ad-blocking settings though, because I didn’t have the patience for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I just gave you an example of menus not expanding. I'm not dogging Firefox I'm saying there is a consorted effort made to reduce it's usefulness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [+] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies)
[–] flying_gel@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I use Firefox on Linux and FreeBSD for my daily driver. I was not able to book flights on Thai airways website 6 months ago until I loaded it in chrome/chromium instead. It's really really rare imo but that's one example in recent history. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That sounds more like an issue with them using some proprietary browser bullshit than a problem with Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) But what, practically, is the difference? If more and more websites use shit that only works in Chrome or Chromium based browsers, the effect is the same. The web doesn't work as well for Firefox users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child) One is a browser following web standards and the other is a shitty company adding non-standards based development features intended to lock users into there browsers. It was shitty when Microsoft did the non-standard features to lock in with Internet Exporer and it is shitty that Chrome does it now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago It's shitty for sure, and I definitely think Chrome needs to die, or at least have better competition. Sadly, not enough users are using non-chromium browsers, that they don't see a problem with using chrome only features. It sucks, and it's going to lead (is leading) to the further enshitification of the web. I'm doing my part by using Firefox, and any web application I develop is guaranteed to work in Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That sounds more like an issue with them using some proprietary browser bullshit than a problem with Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) But what, practically, is the difference? If more and more websites use shit that only works in Chrome or Chromium based browsers, the effect is the same. The web doesn't work as well for Firefox users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child) One is a browser following web standards and the other is a shitty company adding non-standards based development features intended to lock users into there browsers. It was shitty when Microsoft did the non-standard features to lock in with Internet Exporer and it is shitty that Chrome does it now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago It's shitty for sure, and I definitely think Chrome needs to die, or at least have better competition. Sadly, not enough users are using non-chromium browsers, that they don't see a problem with using chrome only features. It sucks, and it's going to lead (is leading) to the further enshitification of the web. I'm doing my part by using Firefox, and any web application I develop is guaranteed to work in Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) But what, practically, is the difference? If more and more websites use shit that only works in Chrome or Chromium based browsers, the effect is the same. The web doesn't work as well for Firefox users. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child) One is a browser following web standards and the other is a shitty company adding non-standards based development features intended to lock users into there browsers. It was shitty when Microsoft did the non-standard features to lock in with Internet Exporer and it is shitty that Chrome does it now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago It's shitty for sure, and I definitely think Chrome needs to die, or at least have better competition. Sadly, not enough users are using non-chromium browsers, that they don't see a problem with using chrome only features. It sucks, and it's going to lead (is leading) to the further enshitification of the web. I'm doing my part by using Firefox, and any web application I develop is guaranteed to work in Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] snooggums@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child) One is a browser following web standards and the other is a shitty company adding non-standards based development features intended to lock users into there browsers. It was shitty when Microsoft did the non-standard features to lock in with Internet Exporer and it is shitty that Chrome does it now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago It's shitty for sure, and I definitely think Chrome needs to die, or at least have better competition. Sadly, not enough users are using non-chromium browsers, that they don't see a problem with using chrome only features. It sucks, and it's going to lead (is leading) to the further enshitification of the web. I'm doing my part by using Firefox, and any web application I develop is guaranteed to work in Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago It's shitty for sure, and I definitely think Chrome needs to die, or at least have better competition. Sadly, not enough users are using non-chromium browsers, that they don't see a problem with using chrome only features. It sucks, and it's going to lead (is leading) to the further enshitification of the web. I'm doing my part by using Firefox, and any web application I develop is guaranteed to work in Firefox. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (7 children) Not a very big website, but the service my therapist uses for teletherapy doesn't support anything outside of chromium. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago try switching your user agent. it'll likely work fine. red medical will act up if you don't use a chromium browser. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (6 replies)
[–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago try switching your user agent. it'll likely work fine. red medical will act up if you don't use a chromium browser. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nyanix@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) Wow, that random news article I hit 16 days ago where the page kept flickering and reloading, but didn't do that when I copied the URL into Brave... I really should've recorded that domain so I could defend myself against some stranger online! Sarcasm aside, I don't think it's generally the major websites that you bump into this with, however, there are many edge cases that occur for plenty of folks, whether they're in college and have to use that "secure browser" extension that only supports Chrome, or the fact that some websites, especially in business, that simply refuse to support browser and will prevent access otherwise. I'm a Firefox user, so this isn't to say that Chromium is the way by any means, but hopefully to shine a little light on the fact that we're all on different parts of the web with different experiences, questioning their experiences so that you can hopefully find an extension or something to pin the blame them does not absolve them of their experience, just a show of elitism. Firefox HAS gotten much better, but unfortunately, Capitalism's gonna Capitalism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] AlexTheAnnihilator@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I couldn't submit a support ticket for id.me (the IRS' stupid commercial partner for Identity verification) when using Firefox, the submit button literally did not work. Worked fine when switching to edge (blegh). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Oh, and I can't seem to get tiktok videos to play on Firefox on Android? Not a major issue, but my sister keeps sending them to me in particular for some reason, so... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 0ops@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yup I've noticed that too. I don't have tiktok personally but I get links from friends and sometimes I have to open them in the duckduckgo browser (chromium based) permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve always had TikTok blocked so I maybe o idea about that Also a privacy browser not allowing the least private thing ever? Colour me shocked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago I mean, yeah. I'm none too bothered by that one, but it's still an example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yup I've noticed that too. I don't have tiktok personally but I get links from friends and sometimes I have to open them in the duckduckgo browser (chromium based) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’ve always had TikTok blocked so I maybe o idea about that Also a privacy browser not allowing the least private thing ever? Colour me shocked permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago I mean, yeah. I'm none too bothered by that one, but it's still an example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Silentiea@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago I mean, yeah. I'm none too bothered by that one, but it's still an example. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] neshura@bookwormstory.social 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Example: The meeting webservice my bank uses is for whatever reason blocked for Firefox. Not sure if they just User-Agent check but they consciously block out Firefox users. I alerted my bank person about that but I doubt that's going to be any different next time I have a meeting with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) The search in the Walmart site has only been working on and off (mostly off) in Firefox, but consistently in Chrome. There's also some webpages for my university that only work in Chrome Edit: looks like the Walmart search is working now though for me. The only reason I even have duckduckgo browser is because walmart.com was giving me issues on Firefox permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 1984@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago* I was about to say this. I never find any websites that doesnt work with Firefox so I'm genuinely curious. I bet it's their ad blocker, or they have set their Firefox settings to the privacy level that says "this will break some web sites". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] herrherrmann@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago I remember whipping out Vivaldi (which is Chrome-based) for booking a ticket on the Interrail website: https://www.interrail.eu/en I haven’t fiddled much with weaker privacy/ad-blocking settings though, because I didn’t have the patience for that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) I just gave you an example of menus not expanding. I'm not dogging Firefox I'm saying there is a consorted effort made to reduce it's usefulness. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
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[–] egerlach@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) DDG has gone downhill in recent years. Not as much as Google though, so I've been feeling like it's been getting better and better, but it's just a comparative feeling. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To me it's worrying because it is where Google was when I jumped ship for DDG. I am getting tailored results that I do not want. Everything I search even with location off gives me local to very local responses. If I open a link and then go back to the results page all the results have changed order. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) To me it's worrying because it is where Google was when I jumped ship for DDG. I am getting tailored results that I do not want. Everything I search even with location off gives me local to very local responses. If I open a link and then go back to the results page all the results have changed order. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://webcompat.com/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago Huh, never heard of this before. Thank you for mentioning it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago Huh, never heard of this before. Thank you for mentioning it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snooggums@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Firefox + uBlock Origin and I have no issues with any websites. Which ones are you having issues with and what is happening? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago their workplace is probably developing whatever website they use for chrome exclusively, mine does that too and it sucks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago their workplace is probably developing whatever website they use for chrome exclusively, mine does that too and it sucks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParetoOptimalDev@lemmy.today 4 points 2 years ago You have to complain if your work does chrome specific stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 3 points 2 years ago Sometimes those websites lied that they don't support Firefox. For example, google meet didn't support background blur on Firefox? Change the user agent to chrome and it suddenly worked! As for simple stuff such as menu or elements not loading, it's usually the dev copy pasted outdated code/css that uses WebKit/Bink-specific prefix even though Firefox already support them if they removed the prefix. Nothing we can do about that except pestering the dev to fix it or overriding it yourself using some css overrides extension. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago They talk about it doing this for Firefox too. permalink fedilink source parent