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[–] Aux@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) Communism of any kind is inherently authoritarian. There's no way around it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) If you have not studied communism, and your main contact with communism is tankies on Lemmy and “communist” dictatorships in history, then I understand why you would think that. But communists by and large are not tankies, and do not wish for states like the USSR, China, or North Korea. Those people typically identify as Marxist-Leninists (promoted mainly by Stalin after Lenin died), and yep they’re authoritarian, and they’re loud. And, despite the name, Marx himself would disapprove of this ideology for a number of reasons. Read even just the first paragraph of the Wikipedia articles on ”Communism” and “Communist society.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes, and ultimately money and the state (or nation state). Communists want no state; it is effectively a type of anarchist or radically democratic ideology, where the citizens all equally share power through common ownership of industry… the very opposite of authoritarianism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_society A communist society is characterized by common ownership of the means of production with free access to the articles of consumption and is classless, stateless, and moneyless, implying the end of the exploitation of labour. The term communist society should be distinguished from the Western concept of the communist state, the latter referring to a state ruled by a party which professes a variation of Marxism–Leninism. Communism is not an authoritarian philosophy. If you go talk to people in real life who identify as communists, you will tend to find communists as described in these articles. If you look on lemmy.ml, however, you’ll find lots of Marxist-Leninists (tankies) because that’s who the instance was made by… but that’s not really representative of communism as a whole, and many communists find that philosophy repulsive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) My main contact with communism is that I was born and raised in a communist country. Communism IS a 100% authoritarian regime. Allways was, allways will be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That’s interesting, which country? I’d be willing to bet that the government does not actually describe itself as communist, but instead as a Marxist-Leninist socialist government, because even they know that what they do is not communism. I’m willing to bet that because most (if not all) “communist” states in the world actually describe themselves as socialist, not communist, following Marxism-Leninism or some variation thereof. As far as I know, all of them do. So, which one are you from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) USSR. All these lefty regimes are 100% totalitarian. The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms. It doesn't matter how you spin it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms. Question: have you ever read the Communist Manifesto? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I read Marx manifesto, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it is apparent from any reading of the Communist Manifesto that the premise of Marxism is not to remove individual rights and freedoms, regardless of how you think it works out in practice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. Did YOU read his manifesto? One must be blind or delusional to think otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. I'm sure you can quote that and show me where my memory is lacking, then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Read the Manifesto? Go refresh your memory. permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) USSR Yeah, this is precisely the kind of state I was talking about. Thanks for confirming. I’ve explained twice in responses to you, and you haven’t actually addressed my points, so maybe you don’t understand what I’m saying. The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms If you think Marxism-Leninism actually represents what Marx laid out as communism, you are mistaken. Marxism-Leninism was just Stalin-branded autocratic socialism—Marx had no say in the name. Neither did Lenin, for that matter, unless I’m forgetting my history. This, again, is precisely what I was talking about. It doesn’t matter how you spin it I think you should go back and read my original comment and see that the whole point was to unravel the actual spin in this image. No matter how you spin it, this meme places an unwarranted amount of blame on Western leftists while describing each label inaccurately and with a traditionally right-wing slant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just read the fucking manifesto already! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not even a communist, but I have, actually, and you clearly haven’t. Doesn’t take much to understand the philosophy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, philosophy of genocide and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You can repeat yourself all you want, but unless you can make an actual argument you kinda just look like an idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's no point arguing with supporters of oppression and genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Who!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] keegomatic@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) If you have not studied communism, and your main contact with communism is tankies on Lemmy and “communist” dictatorships in history, then I understand why you would think that. But communists by and large are not tankies, and do not wish for states like the USSR, China, or North Korea. Those people typically identify as Marxist-Leninists (promoted mainly by Stalin after Lenin died), and yep they’re authoritarian, and they’re loud. And, despite the name, Marx himself would disapprove of this ideology for a number of reasons. Read even just the first paragraph of the Wikipedia articles on ”Communism” and “Communist society.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes, and ultimately money and the state (or nation state). Communists want no state; it is effectively a type of anarchist or radically democratic ideology, where the citizens all equally share power through common ownership of industry… the very opposite of authoritarianism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_society A communist society is characterized by common ownership of the means of production with free access to the articles of consumption and is classless, stateless, and moneyless, implying the end of the exploitation of labour. The term communist society should be distinguished from the Western concept of the communist state, the latter referring to a state ruled by a party which professes a variation of Marxism–Leninism. Communism is not an authoritarian philosophy. If you go talk to people in real life who identify as communists, you will tend to find communists as described in these articles. If you look on lemmy.ml, however, you’ll find lots of Marxist-Leninists (tankies) because that’s who the instance was made by… but that’s not really representative of communism as a whole, and many communists find that philosophy repulsive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) My main contact with communism is that I was born and raised in a communist country. Communism IS a 100% authoritarian regime. Allways was, allways will be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That’s interesting, which country? I’d be willing to bet that the government does not actually describe itself as communist, but instead as a Marxist-Leninist socialist government, because even they know that what they do is not communism. I’m willing to bet that because most (if not all) “communist” states in the world actually describe themselves as socialist, not communist, following Marxism-Leninism or some variation thereof. As far as I know, all of them do. So, which one are you from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) USSR. All these lefty regimes are 100% totalitarian. The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms. It doesn't matter how you spin it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms. Question: have you ever read the Communist Manifesto? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I read Marx manifesto, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it is apparent from any reading of the Communist Manifesto that the premise of Marxism is not to remove individual rights and freedoms, regardless of how you think it works out in practice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. Did YOU read his manifesto? One must be blind or delusional to think otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. I'm sure you can quote that and show me where my memory is lacking, then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Read the Manifesto? Go refresh your memory. permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) USSR Yeah, this is precisely the kind of state I was talking about. Thanks for confirming. I’ve explained twice in responses to you, and you haven’t actually addressed my points, so maybe you don’t understand what I’m saying. The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms If you think Marxism-Leninism actually represents what Marx laid out as communism, you are mistaken. Marxism-Leninism was just Stalin-branded autocratic socialism—Marx had no say in the name. Neither did Lenin, for that matter, unless I’m forgetting my history. This, again, is precisely what I was talking about. It doesn’t matter how you spin it I think you should go back and read my original comment and see that the whole point was to unravel the actual spin in this image. No matter how you spin it, this meme places an unwarranted amount of blame on Western leftists while describing each label inaccurately and with a traditionally right-wing slant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just read the fucking manifesto already! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not even a communist, but I have, actually, and you clearly haven’t. Doesn’t take much to understand the philosophy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, philosophy of genocide and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You can repeat yourself all you want, but unless you can make an actual argument you kinda just look like an idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's no point arguing with supporters of oppression and genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Who!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) My main contact with communism is that I was born and raised in a communist country. Communism IS a 100% authoritarian regime. Allways was, allways will be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That’s interesting, which country? I’d be willing to bet that the government does not actually describe itself as communist, but instead as a Marxist-Leninist socialist government, because even they know that what they do is not communism. I’m willing to bet that because most (if not all) “communist” states in the world actually describe themselves as socialist, not communist, following Marxism-Leninism or some variation thereof. As far as I know, all of them do. So, which one are you from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) USSR. All these lefty regimes are 100% totalitarian. The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms. It doesn't matter how you spin it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms. Question: have you ever read the Communist Manifesto? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I read Marx manifesto, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it is apparent from any reading of the Communist Manifesto that the premise of Marxism is not to remove individual rights and freedoms, regardless of how you think it works out in practice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. Did YOU read his manifesto? One must be blind or delusional to think otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. I'm sure you can quote that and show me where my memory is lacking, then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Read the Manifesto? Go refresh your memory. permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) USSR Yeah, this is precisely the kind of state I was talking about. Thanks for confirming. I’ve explained twice in responses to you, and you haven’t actually addressed my points, so maybe you don’t understand what I’m saying. The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms If you think Marxism-Leninism actually represents what Marx laid out as communism, you are mistaken. Marxism-Leninism was just Stalin-branded autocratic socialism—Marx had no say in the name. Neither did Lenin, for that matter, unless I’m forgetting my history. This, again, is precisely what I was talking about. It doesn’t matter how you spin it I think you should go back and read my original comment and see that the whole point was to unravel the actual spin in this image. No matter how you spin it, this meme places an unwarranted amount of blame on Western leftists while describing each label inaccurately and with a traditionally right-wing slant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just read the fucking manifesto already! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not even a communist, but I have, actually, and you clearly haven’t. Doesn’t take much to understand the philosophy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, philosophy of genocide and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You can repeat yourself all you want, but unless you can make an actual argument you kinda just look like an idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's no point arguing with supporters of oppression and genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Who!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That’s interesting, which country? I’d be willing to bet that the government does not actually describe itself as communist, but instead as a Marxist-Leninist socialist government, because even they know that what they do is not communism. I’m willing to bet that because most (if not all) “communist” states in the world actually describe themselves as socialist, not communist, following Marxism-Leninism or some variation thereof. As far as I know, all of them do. So, which one are you from? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) USSR. All these lefty regimes are 100% totalitarian. The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms. It doesn't matter how you spin it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms. Question: have you ever read the Communist Manifesto? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I read Marx manifesto, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it is apparent from any reading of the Communist Manifesto that the premise of Marxism is not to remove individual rights and freedoms, regardless of how you think it works out in practice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. Did YOU read his manifesto? One must be blind or delusional to think otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. I'm sure you can quote that and show me where my memory is lacking, then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Read the Manifesto? Go refresh your memory. permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) USSR Yeah, this is precisely the kind of state I was talking about. Thanks for confirming. I’ve explained twice in responses to you, and you haven’t actually addressed my points, so maybe you don’t understand what I’m saying. The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms If you think Marxism-Leninism actually represents what Marx laid out as communism, you are mistaken. Marxism-Leninism was just Stalin-branded autocratic socialism—Marx had no say in the name. Neither did Lenin, for that matter, unless I’m forgetting my history. This, again, is precisely what I was talking about. It doesn’t matter how you spin it I think you should go back and read my original comment and see that the whole point was to unravel the actual spin in this image. No matter how you spin it, this meme places an unwarranted amount of blame on Western leftists while describing each label inaccurately and with a traditionally right-wing slant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just read the fucking manifesto already! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not even a communist, but I have, actually, and you clearly haven’t. Doesn’t take much to understand the philosophy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, philosophy of genocide and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You can repeat yourself all you want, but unless you can make an actual argument you kinda just look like an idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's no point arguing with supporters of oppression and genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Who!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) USSR. All these lefty regimes are 100% totalitarian. The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms. It doesn't matter how you spin it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms. Question: have you ever read the Communist Manifesto? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I read Marx manifesto, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it is apparent from any reading of the Communist Manifesto that the premise of Marxism is not to remove individual rights and freedoms, regardless of how you think it works out in practice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. Did YOU read his manifesto? One must be blind or delusional to think otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. I'm sure you can quote that and show me where my memory is lacking, then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Read the Manifesto? Go refresh your memory. permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) USSR Yeah, this is precisely the kind of state I was talking about. Thanks for confirming. I’ve explained twice in responses to you, and you haven’t actually addressed my points, so maybe you don’t understand what I’m saying. The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms If you think Marxism-Leninism actually represents what Marx laid out as communism, you are mistaken. Marxism-Leninism was just Stalin-branded autocratic socialism—Marx had no say in the name. Neither did Lenin, for that matter, unless I’m forgetting my history. This, again, is precisely what I was talking about. It doesn’t matter how you spin it I think you should go back and read my original comment and see that the whole point was to unravel the actual spin in this image. No matter how you spin it, this meme places an unwarranted amount of blame on Western leftists while describing each label inaccurately and with a traditionally right-wing slant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just read the fucking manifesto already! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not even a communist, but I have, actually, and you clearly haven’t. Doesn’t take much to understand the philosophy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, philosophy of genocide and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You can repeat yourself all you want, but unless you can make an actual argument you kinda just look like an idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's no point arguing with supporters of oppression and genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Who!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms. Question: have you ever read the Communist Manifesto? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I read Marx manifesto, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it is apparent from any reading of the Communist Manifesto that the premise of Marxism is not to remove individual rights and freedoms, regardless of how you think it works out in practice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. Did YOU read his manifesto? One must be blind or delusional to think otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. I'm sure you can quote that and show me where my memory is lacking, then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Read the Manifesto? Go refresh your memory. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I read Marx manifesto, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it is apparent from any reading of the Communist Manifesto that the premise of Marxism is not to remove individual rights and freedoms, regardless of how you think it works out in practice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. Did YOU read his manifesto? One must be blind or delusional to think otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. I'm sure you can quote that and show me where my memory is lacking, then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Read the Manifesto? Go refresh your memory. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it is apparent from any reading of the Communist Manifesto that the premise of Marxism is not to remove individual rights and freedoms, regardless of how you think it works out in practice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. Did YOU read his manifesto? One must be blind or delusional to think otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. I'm sure you can quote that and show me where my memory is lacking, then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Read the Manifesto? Go refresh your memory. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. Did YOU read his manifesto? One must be blind or delusional to think otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. I'm sure you can quote that and show me where my memory is lacking, then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Read the Manifesto? Go refresh your memory. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Marx literally calls for removal of rights and freedoms and openly calls for a genocide. I'm sure you can quote that and show me where my memory is lacking, then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Read the Manifesto? Go refresh your memory. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Read the Manifesto? Go refresh your memory. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] keegomatic@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) USSR Yeah, this is precisely the kind of state I was talking about. Thanks for confirming. I’ve explained twice in responses to you, and you haven’t actually addressed my points, so maybe you don’t understand what I’m saying. The whole premise of Marxism and variations is to remove individual rights and freedoms If you think Marxism-Leninism actually represents what Marx laid out as communism, you are mistaken. Marxism-Leninism was just Stalin-branded autocratic socialism—Marx had no say in the name. Neither did Lenin, for that matter, unless I’m forgetting my history. This, again, is precisely what I was talking about. It doesn’t matter how you spin it I think you should go back and read my original comment and see that the whole point was to unravel the actual spin in this image. No matter how you spin it, this meme places an unwarranted amount of blame on Western leftists while describing each label inaccurately and with a traditionally right-wing slant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just read the fucking manifesto already! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not even a communist, but I have, actually, and you clearly haven’t. Doesn’t take much to understand the philosophy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, philosophy of genocide and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You can repeat yourself all you want, but unless you can make an actual argument you kinda just look like an idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's no point arguing with supporters of oppression and genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Who!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Just read the fucking manifesto already! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not even a communist, but I have, actually, and you clearly haven’t. Doesn’t take much to understand the philosophy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, philosophy of genocide and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You can repeat yourself all you want, but unless you can make an actual argument you kinda just look like an idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's no point arguing with supporters of oppression and genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Who!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I’m not even a communist, but I have, actually, and you clearly haven’t. Doesn’t take much to understand the philosophy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, philosophy of genocide and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You can repeat yourself all you want, but unless you can make an actual argument you kinda just look like an idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's no point arguing with supporters of oppression and genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Who!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, philosophy of genocide and oppression. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You can repeat yourself all you want, but unless you can make an actual argument you kinda just look like an idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's no point arguing with supporters of oppression and genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Who!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You can repeat yourself all you want, but unless you can make an actual argument you kinda just look like an idiot permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's no point arguing with supporters of oppression and genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Who!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) There's no point arguing with supporters of oppression and genocide. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] keegomatic@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Who!? permalink fedilink source parent