▲ 579 ▼ Prosecutors to seek death penalty for white supremacist who killed 10 at Buffalo supermarket (apnews.com) submitted 2 years ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to c/news@lemmy.world 266 comments fedilink hide all child comments Prosecutors will seek the death penalty for the white supremacist who killed 10 Black people at a Buffalo supermarket.
[+] IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Why is there any value in making someone suffer for the sake of suffering? If he's dead he's dead. There are plenty of evil people that are dead and I don't wish them to be alive just so they can suffer. That's seems worse than killing them. permalink fedilink source parent [+] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] ApostleO@startrek.website -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sure, but there's also cost to the state to be considered. That said, the common methods for execution used today are surprisingly expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] randombullet@programming.dev 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) Isn't it more expensive to execute someone vs a life sentence? We should do another penal colony. Like Venus or something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ApostleO@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago On a tangential note: I propose we ship the top 1% wealthiest people to Mars and make them colonize it. We can send all the life sentence and death row convicts with them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Riddick looks smug with his weird sunglasses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Masterchief117@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also experimental. No one wants to make the drugs used to end life so states are buying expired product and shady drugs from Indian compound pharmacies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Those shady indian pharmacies are one of the things keeping american pharmaceuticals from skull fucking the plebs every chance it gets. Those boys are fine in my book. That countries approach to pharmaceuticals is commendable overall. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Except they have no quality control and you have no idea what you could actually be getting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Really? That's not what I've seen so far. As long as you stick to the major players or atleast stay away from the more easy handed brands, there's no issues with quality control I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/18/gambia-parents-fight-for-children-in-landmark-trial-on-india-syrup-deaths https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/indian-drugs-under-lens-in-sri-lanka-over-adverse-events/article66982831.ece https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-fda-says-india-made-eye-drop-linked-some-infections-blindness-one-death-2023-02-03/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That said, the common methods for execution used today are surprisingly expensive. It doesn't have to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Osito@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* I believe the saw movies had some good techniques permalink fedilink source parent [+] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Just make sure to place him in a cell near/with black prisoners and give him a sandwich board like one from die hard 3 with "I hate n*****" on it too.b permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Death penalty bad, mop justice good permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Mop justice, that's how Jeffrey Dahmer died isn't it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago A) I'm certain he'll advertise it all on his own. Probably fall right in with a Nazi prison gang. B) I don't think the prisons are intentionally stoking racial tensions. Makes things dangerous for the guards and invites attention they don't want. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Moira_Mayhem@kbin.social -15 points 2 years ago (3 children) The suffering should never be the point. It never gives meaningful satisfaction to the bereaved and affected and studies support this. It is only human and normal to burn with anger and a desire to see monsters such as this torn apart and made to suffer. This is part of our animal mind that views tribal justice and the dubious 'wisdom of the crowds' as absolute, and most of the fuckdamn reason we've spent so long learning how to live around millions of each other is in part giving up these outdated and unhelpful social traits. In the long run, from the cultural perspective, no amount of his suffering will bring his victims back, and no amount of suffering will convince him that he was morally wrong. So execute him, and quickly, and spend the money otherwise that would have covered his upkeep on free food for single parents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Augustiner@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago You were so close! The first four paragraphs were a perfect argument against the death penalty. And then you somehow turned around to argue for it in the last one? The logical conclusion from your argument isn’t a quick death, it’s trying to reform offenders, no matter how heinous their crimes. If that’s not possible, keep them locked away, but treat them humanely and keep trying. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The death penalty isn't more cost-effective than life imprisonment. So your last argument ($) is actually against the death penalty. https://ejusa.org/resource/wasteful-inefficient/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I'm pretty sure they were suggesting that we get rid of the appeals process to make it quicker and cheaper permalink fedilink source parent [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Dammit, you were so close. Quick executions are how you turn the 1-5% innocent kill rate up to a 10-50%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Why is there any value in making someone suffer for the sake of suffering? If he's dead he's dead. There are plenty of evil people that are dead and I don't wish them to be alive just so they can suffer. That's seems worse than killing them. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ApostleO@startrek.website -8 points 2 years ago (3 children) Sure, but there's also cost to the state to be considered. That said, the common methods for execution used today are surprisingly expensive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] randombullet@programming.dev 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) Isn't it more expensive to execute someone vs a life sentence? We should do another penal colony. Like Venus or something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ApostleO@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago On a tangential note: I propose we ship the top 1% wealthiest people to Mars and make them colonize it. We can send all the life sentence and death row convicts with them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Riddick looks smug with his weird sunglasses. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Masterchief117@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also experimental. No one wants to make the drugs used to end life so states are buying expired product and shady drugs from Indian compound pharmacies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Those shady indian pharmacies are one of the things keeping american pharmaceuticals from skull fucking the plebs every chance it gets. Those boys are fine in my book. That countries approach to pharmaceuticals is commendable overall. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Except they have no quality control and you have no idea what you could actually be getting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Really? That's not what I've seen so far. As long as you stick to the major players or atleast stay away from the more easy handed brands, there's no issues with quality control I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/18/gambia-parents-fight-for-children-in-landmark-trial-on-india-syrup-deaths https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/indian-drugs-under-lens-in-sri-lanka-over-adverse-events/article66982831.ece https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-fda-says-india-made-eye-drop-linked-some-infections-blindness-one-death-2023-02-03/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That said, the common methods for execution used today are surprisingly expensive. It doesn't have to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Osito@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* I believe the saw movies had some good techniques permalink fedilink source parent
[–] randombullet@programming.dev 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) Isn't it more expensive to execute someone vs a life sentence? We should do another penal colony. Like Venus or something. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ApostleO@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago On a tangential note: I propose we ship the top 1% wealthiest people to Mars and make them colonize it. We can send all the life sentence and death row convicts with them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Riddick looks smug with his weird sunglasses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ApostleO@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago On a tangential note: I propose we ship the top 1% wealthiest people to Mars and make them colonize it. We can send all the life sentence and death row convicts with them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago Riddick looks smug with his weird sunglasses. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Masterchief117@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) Also experimental. No one wants to make the drugs used to end life so states are buying expired product and shady drugs from Indian compound pharmacies. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Those shady indian pharmacies are one of the things keeping american pharmaceuticals from skull fucking the plebs every chance it gets. Those boys are fine in my book. That countries approach to pharmaceuticals is commendable overall. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Except they have no quality control and you have no idea what you could actually be getting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Really? That's not what I've seen so far. As long as you stick to the major players or atleast stay away from the more easy handed brands, there's no issues with quality control I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/18/gambia-parents-fight-for-children-in-landmark-trial-on-india-syrup-deaths https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/indian-drugs-under-lens-in-sri-lanka-over-adverse-events/article66982831.ece https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-fda-says-india-made-eye-drop-linked-some-infections-blindness-one-death-2023-02-03/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Those shady indian pharmacies are one of the things keeping american pharmaceuticals from skull fucking the plebs every chance it gets. Those boys are fine in my book. That countries approach to pharmaceuticals is commendable overall. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Except they have no quality control and you have no idea what you could actually be getting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Really? That's not what I've seen so far. As long as you stick to the major players or atleast stay away from the more easy handed brands, there's no issues with quality control I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/18/gambia-parents-fight-for-children-in-landmark-trial-on-india-syrup-deaths https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/indian-drugs-under-lens-in-sri-lanka-over-adverse-events/article66982831.ece https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-fda-says-india-made-eye-drop-linked-some-infections-blindness-one-death-2023-02-03/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Except they have no quality control and you have no idea what you could actually be getting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Really? That's not what I've seen so far. As long as you stick to the major players or atleast stay away from the more easy handed brands, there's no issues with quality control I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/18/gambia-parents-fight-for-children-in-landmark-trial-on-india-syrup-deaths https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/indian-drugs-under-lens-in-sri-lanka-over-adverse-events/article66982831.ece https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-fda-says-india-made-eye-drop-linked-some-infections-blindness-one-death-2023-02-03/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Really? That's not what I've seen so far. As long as you stick to the major players or atleast stay away from the more easy handed brands, there's no issues with quality control I think. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/18/gambia-parents-fight-for-children-in-landmark-trial-on-india-syrup-deaths https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/indian-drugs-under-lens-in-sri-lanka-over-adverse-events/article66982831.ece https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-fda-says-india-made-eye-drop-linked-some-infections-blindness-one-death-2023-02-03/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/11/18/gambia-parents-fight-for-children-in-landmark-trial-on-india-syrup-deaths https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/indian-drugs-under-lens-in-sri-lanka-over-adverse-events/article66982831.ece https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-fda-says-india-made-eye-drop-linked-some-infections-blindness-one-death-2023-02-03/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That said, the common methods for execution used today are surprisingly expensive. It doesn't have to be. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Osito@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* I believe the saw movies had some good techniques permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Osito@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* I believe the saw movies had some good techniques permalink fedilink source parent
[+] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago (2 children) Just make sure to place him in a cell near/with black prisoners and give him a sandwich board like one from die hard 3 with "I hate n*****" on it too.b permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Death penalty bad, mop justice good permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Mop justice, that's how Jeffrey Dahmer died isn't it? permalink fedilink source parent [–] MagicShel@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago A) I'm certain he'll advertise it all on his own. Probably fall right in with a Nazi prison gang. B) I don't think the prisons are intentionally stoking racial tensions. Makes things dangerous for the guards and invites attention they don't want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Death penalty bad, mop justice good permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Mop justice, that's how Jeffrey Dahmer died isn't it? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Mop justice, that's how Jeffrey Dahmer died isn't it? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago A) I'm certain he'll advertise it all on his own. Probably fall right in with a Nazi prison gang. B) I don't think the prisons are intentionally stoking racial tensions. Makes things dangerous for the guards and invites attention they don't want. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Moira_Mayhem@kbin.social -15 points 2 years ago (3 children) The suffering should never be the point. It never gives meaningful satisfaction to the bereaved and affected and studies support this. It is only human and normal to burn with anger and a desire to see monsters such as this torn apart and made to suffer. This is part of our animal mind that views tribal justice and the dubious 'wisdom of the crowds' as absolute, and most of the fuckdamn reason we've spent so long learning how to live around millions of each other is in part giving up these outdated and unhelpful social traits. In the long run, from the cultural perspective, no amount of his suffering will bring his victims back, and no amount of suffering will convince him that he was morally wrong. So execute him, and quickly, and spend the money otherwise that would have covered his upkeep on free food for single parents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Augustiner@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago You were so close! The first four paragraphs were a perfect argument against the death penalty. And then you somehow turned around to argue for it in the last one? The logical conclusion from your argument isn’t a quick death, it’s trying to reform offenders, no matter how heinous their crimes. If that’s not possible, keep them locked away, but treat them humanely and keep trying. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The death penalty isn't more cost-effective than life imprisonment. So your last argument ($) is actually against the death penalty. https://ejusa.org/resource/wasteful-inefficient/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I'm pretty sure they were suggesting that we get rid of the appeals process to make it quicker and cheaper permalink fedilink source parent [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Dammit, you were so close. Quick executions are how you turn the 1-5% innocent kill rate up to a 10-50%. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Augustiner@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago You were so close! The first four paragraphs were a perfect argument against the death penalty. And then you somehow turned around to argue for it in the last one? The logical conclusion from your argument isn’t a quick death, it’s trying to reform offenders, no matter how heinous their crimes. If that’s not possible, keep them locked away, but treat them humanely and keep trying. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Streetdog@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) The death penalty isn't more cost-effective than life imprisonment. So your last argument ($) is actually against the death penalty. https://ejusa.org/resource/wasteful-inefficient/ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I'm pretty sure they were suggesting that we get rid of the appeals process to make it quicker and cheaper permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago I'm pretty sure they were suggesting that we get rid of the appeals process to make it quicker and cheaper permalink fedilink source parent
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Dammit, you were so close. Quick executions are how you turn the 1-5% innocent kill rate up to a 10-50%. permalink fedilink source parent