▲ 324 ▼ When talking to people who dislike UBI about UBI, they'll often say both that 'people need a purpose in life' and that 'nobody will work if they get free money'. (lemm.ee) submitted 2 years ago by JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world 246 comments fedilink hide all child comments Those seem incompatible to me. (UBI means Universal Basic Income, giving everyone a basic income, for free)
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And when landlords hike the rents, what do you think will happen to the rate of new housing construction? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Construction is already too expensive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Okay. So you're onto something with there being money involved in the decision. Right. And so when owning a building becomes more profitable, what happens to construction? Construction that is already too expensive. Expensive is costs too much money ... right? Anyone? High construction cost, then there's an increasing in the net present value of an apartment building ... Anybody see where I'm going with this? Yes, you in the back there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Landlord just pockets the money obviously permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. Yes. That’s a good answer because when you pay rent the landlord does indeed get the money. I was asking more about what happens to building construction. Anyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nothing happens. There are loads of zoning laws that make it effectively impossible to build in most areas these days anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah so I guess if you introduce UBI to a complete lack of free market, to a place where new construction is illegal, then it won’t help. Unless there are vacant homes around, in which case there are still some market forces at work and it will help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago LOL permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Construction is already too expensive permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Okay. So you're onto something with there being money involved in the decision. Right. And so when owning a building becomes more profitable, what happens to construction? Construction that is already too expensive. Expensive is costs too much money ... right? Anyone? High construction cost, then there's an increasing in the net present value of an apartment building ... Anybody see where I'm going with this? Yes, you in the back there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Landlord just pockets the money obviously permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. Yes. That’s a good answer because when you pay rent the landlord does indeed get the money. I was asking more about what happens to building construction. Anyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nothing happens. There are loads of zoning laws that make it effectively impossible to build in most areas these days anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah so I guess if you introduce UBI to a complete lack of free market, to a place where new construction is illegal, then it won’t help. Unless there are vacant homes around, in which case there are still some market forces at work and it will help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago LOL permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Okay. So you're onto something with there being money involved in the decision. Right. And so when owning a building becomes more profitable, what happens to construction? Construction that is already too expensive. Expensive is costs too much money ... right? Anyone? High construction cost, then there's an increasing in the net present value of an apartment building ... Anybody see where I'm going with this? Yes, you in the back there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Landlord just pockets the money obviously permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. Yes. That’s a good answer because when you pay rent the landlord does indeed get the money. I was asking more about what happens to building construction. Anyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nothing happens. There are loads of zoning laws that make it effectively impossible to build in most areas these days anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah so I guess if you introduce UBI to a complete lack of free market, to a place where new construction is illegal, then it won’t help. Unless there are vacant homes around, in which case there are still some market forces at work and it will help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago LOL permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Landlord just pockets the money obviously permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. Yes. That’s a good answer because when you pay rent the landlord does indeed get the money. I was asking more about what happens to building construction. Anyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nothing happens. There are loads of zoning laws that make it effectively impossible to build in most areas these days anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah so I guess if you introduce UBI to a complete lack of free market, to a place where new construction is illegal, then it won’t help. Unless there are vacant homes around, in which case there are still some market forces at work and it will help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago LOL permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Right. Yes. That’s a good answer because when you pay rent the landlord does indeed get the money. I was asking more about what happens to building construction. Anyone? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nothing happens. There are loads of zoning laws that make it effectively impossible to build in most areas these days anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah so I guess if you introduce UBI to a complete lack of free market, to a place where new construction is illegal, then it won’t help. Unless there are vacant homes around, in which case there are still some market forces at work and it will help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago LOL permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Nothing happens. There are loads of zoning laws that make it effectively impossible to build in most areas these days anyway permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah so I guess if you introduce UBI to a complete lack of free market, to a place where new construction is illegal, then it won’t help. Unless there are vacant homes around, in which case there are still some market forces at work and it will help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago LOL permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah so I guess if you introduce UBI to a complete lack of free market, to a place where new construction is illegal, then it won’t help. Unless there are vacant homes around, in which case there are still some market forces at work and it will help. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago LOL permalink fedilink source parent