▲ 324 ▼ When talking to people who dislike UBI about UBI, they'll often say both that 'people need a purpose in life' and that 'nobody will work if they get free money'. (lemm.ee) submitted 2 years ago by JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee to c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world 246 comments fedilink hide all child comments Those seem incompatible to me. (UBI means Universal Basic Income, giving everyone a basic income, for free)
[–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) We've already reached post scarcity. Any current scarcity is manufactured. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ZahzenEclipse@kbin.social -14 points 2 years ago (2 children) If you don't have funds to buy resources then that seems to be accurate scarcity no? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] amio@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) The point is that there is no actual scarcity as in "we don't have the resources". We do have the resources, they're just distributed in a way that is profoundly unfair. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago Sorta like nature. There’s calories aplenty to be had. They’re just protected by other organisms that don’t want to give them up. So even in nature, the scarcity is artificial. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a matter of access, not whether a sufficient amount of resources exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s been demonstrated repeatedly that markets distribute goods better than centralized control systems, every time. When centralized control is seized, people start lacking. When the control of food is seized centrally, people starve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Who said anything about centralized control? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ZahzenEclipse@kbin.social -14 points 2 years ago (2 children) If you don't have funds to buy resources then that seems to be accurate scarcity no? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] amio@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) The point is that there is no actual scarcity as in "we don't have the resources". We do have the resources, they're just distributed in a way that is profoundly unfair. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago Sorta like nature. There’s calories aplenty to be had. They’re just protected by other organisms that don’t want to give them up. So even in nature, the scarcity is artificial. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a matter of access, not whether a sufficient amount of resources exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s been demonstrated repeatedly that markets distribute goods better than centralized control systems, every time. When centralized control is seized, people start lacking. When the control of food is seized centrally, people starve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Who said anything about centralized control? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] amio@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) The point is that there is no actual scarcity as in "we don't have the resources". We do have the resources, they're just distributed in a way that is profoundly unfair. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago Sorta like nature. There’s calories aplenty to be had. They’re just protected by other organisms that don’t want to give them up. So even in nature, the scarcity is artificial. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago Sorta like nature. There’s calories aplenty to be had. They’re just protected by other organisms that don’t want to give them up. So even in nature, the scarcity is artificial. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's a matter of access, not whether a sufficient amount of resources exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s been demonstrated repeatedly that markets distribute goods better than centralized control systems, every time. When centralized control is seized, people start lacking. When the control of food is seized centrally, people starve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Who said anything about centralized control? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) It’s been demonstrated repeatedly that markets distribute goods better than centralized control systems, every time. When centralized control is seized, people start lacking. When the control of food is seized centrally, people starve. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Who said anything about centralized control? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RainfallSonata@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Who said anything about centralized control? permalink fedilink source parent