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The Biden administration once again bypasses Congress on an emergency weapons sale to Israel (www.pbs.org)
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For the second time this month the Biden administration is bypassing Congress to approve an emergency weapons sale to Israel as Israel continues to prosecute its war against Hamas in Gaza under increasing international criticism.

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[+] [S] -18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What even is the conspiracy there? Buttigieg won. Narrowly, but he won. And both he and Sanders demanded recounts for several of the counties, which was done. Incompetent county level people, often because they have no experience and are even volunteers for much of the vote counting, is fairly common. The complicatedness of Iowa's procedure, where non-viable candidate voters get to re-vote for the viable ones makes errors even more likely.

And errors were made in favor of both Buttigieg and Sanders, which were later corrected.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/

    Clinton and her campaign literally were so full of hubris that they thought beating Trump was a shoe-in and went out of their way to help him become the presumptive nominee because they were so sure of this.

    I will never forgive anyone involved in the Clinton campaign for this, and if you refuse to see how the scales have been tipped for corporate friendly Democrats at the expense of Democrats who actually give a shit about things like unions and working people, I don't know what to say.

    I mean for fucks sake, Biden is why Student Loans aren't dischargeable in bankruptcy but we're supposed to give the guy a handy for trying and failing to barely wipe any student debt away. He definitely didn't just go back in time and take his vote back, and he definitely didn't push congress to write new legislation to make it dischargeable in bankruptcy again.

    It's a big club and we ain't in it.

    But sure, it was just a big fucking accident that Clinton lost to Trump and it's just a big fucking accident that Biden keeps going around congress to send money to Israel.

    It's a big club and we ain't in it.

    https://observer.com/2017/05/dnc-lawsuit-presidential-primaries-bernie-sanders-supporters/

    Later in the hearing, attorneys representing the DNC claim that the Democratic National Committee would be well within their rights to “go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way.” By pushing the argument throughout the proceedings of this class action lawsuit, the Democratic National Committee is telling voters in a court of law that they see no enforceable obligation in having to run a fair and impartial primary election.

    The DNC attorneys even go so far as to argue that the words “impartial” and “evenhanded”—used in the DNC Charter—can’t be interpreted by a court of law. Beck retorted, “I’m shocked to hear that we can’t define what it means to be evenhanded and impartial. If that were the case, we couldn’t have courts. I mean, that’s what courts do every day, is decide disputes in an evenhanded and impartial manner.”

    Why even make such an argument if you can't just prove you didn't do such a thing instead of being like "actually, it's totally legal for us to do that, so you need to be okay with it?"

    This is literally just like Trump. He's not denying he tried to do a coup in court, he's quibbling about fucking wonky bullshit like whether or not the President is an "office" of the US. It's a bunch of talking out of both sides of their mouth.

    If they could defend what they did, they wouldn't have turned to this defense in court. The fact that they did always speaks to them not giving a shit.

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  • [+] [S] -17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We were talking about 2020. What does any of the block of text you've wrote have to do with voting conspiracies?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The original statement made by me referenced that this happened twice and this was the first of those two times that I referenced. Just because you decided to only talk about 2020 doesn't mean that's the only one I was referring to. I wonder if you didn't want to talk about the other because of the literal mountains of fucking evidence behind it?

    If you want to do a run-around and act like previous behavior from a major political party shouldn't be used to judge their current behavior, you're just not arguing in good faith.

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I mean, if we're going to pivot to conspiracies from the 2016 vote, we can bring up the coin toss thing. Brought up repeatedly as a conspiracy by Bernie supporters, they always seemed to leave out that there were multiple coin tosses across counties in that state and...Bernie won more of them than Hillary did. He just lost the vote so badly in total in that state that that didn't give him enough delegates to win the state as a whole.

    But, for some reason, Bernie and his supporters only talk about a single one of those coin tosses.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Cool, so when I bring things with documented evidence your response is to bring up things that were a joke when it was happening?

    What next, the Cisco Wireless White Noise Generators?

    Address the evidence presented, not the conspiracies you want to shut down and I am not personally bringing up.

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nothing of what you posted was even a claim one way or the other. Yes, Clinton's campaign did try and prop up Trump over the other Republican candidates because they thought he would be an easier opponent because of how insane he is. They were wrong on how insane the general public is as well.

    Those are just known facts.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    So when people point out that Trump isn't even arguing that he didn't do an insurrection and coup in court, rather that it was legal for him to do it, people point out how absolutely fucked up it is that he argues that.

    When I point out that the Democrats didn't even bother to argue that they didn't put their finger on the scale for Hillary Clinton, but rather argued in court that it was legal for them to do it, it's fucking crickets and people acting like those are materially different things.

    They are both political operatives arguing in bad faith because they can't actually prove they didn't do those things.

    Trump doesn't claim he didn't do an insurrection or coup in court for the same fucking reasons the Democrats don't claim that they didn't put their finger on the scale for Clinton, rather arguing that it was legal for them to do that.

    The reason is neither has proof. Trump has no proof he didn't try to pull off a coup, and the DNC has no proof they didn't tip the scales for Clinton.

    The one difference is that, yes, technically it is legal for a private organization to write their own rules. However, it's still the issue of: If they could have proved in court they didn't do that for Clinton: Why didn't they? Why did they opt to just be like "Nah, it's legal for us to do that, actually?" Because they aren't actually interested in representing US citizens opinions, they're interested in the continuation of the Corporate Wing of the Democratic Party. They couldn't prove they didn't put their finger on the scale for Clinton, so they turned to this argument in court, which is plainly arguing in bad faith and arguing that it's totally okay for the DNC to ignore the will of the people and choose their own candidate. That's fucked up and not what any rational political party that wasn't up to scummy shit would argue.

    You make that kind of legal argument when you cannot actually defend the facts, like the fact that the DNC essentially chose Clinton, choosing to ignore public opinion. They never made the legal argument that they did not do that for Clinton, because they fucking did and knew they couldn't prove otherwise in court.

    If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.

    Once again, when Trump does it, we know it's clear he's making shit up and throwing whatever he can at the wall to see if anything sticks, but when Democrats do it... fucking crickets from y'all.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I totally thought you guys were talking about whenever they gave her all of the questions before hand

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The questions they also gave to Bernie? His own senior advisor admitted when asked that they were also given the questions about Flint, ect.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Do you have a source for that? I can't find one. I found plenty of sources saying she gave the questions to the Clinton campaign in advance, apologized for it, and then resigned. But none of them mention giving them to the Sanders campaign.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    That's not her saying she gave questions to both campaigns. That's her saying she contacted both campaigns for guidance. Even in there she denied giving debate questions, and that senior aide is saying he agreed that she probably didn't give any debate questions, and that her defense about giving both campaigns guidance is true, so the leak is probably mixing those two things up. You can tell because they say she probably didn't even know the debate questions, and he's agreeing. It's admirable of that guy, but with hindsight he was wrong.

    It later turned out she lied and admitted she did do that. Your article is from before she admitted it, during the time she was denying it for while.

    Also, Happy New Year! I won't be able to resume this debate much because I'll be switching instances in the new year to a bigger one. But I hope you and everyone reading this has a great 2024!

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The AP itself doesn't trust the results enough to declare a winner.

    Shadow Inc., which both Buttigieg and Biden payed for services in 2019, shat the bed and ruined the caucus. Those results and the recanvass were riddled with errors and inconsistencies, ranging from bad math to bad handwriting to bad head counting. It's not trustworthy.

    Now, for my speculation: the Party sabotaged the Iowa caucus to stop an outsider from getting momentum in Iowa. Maybe the plan was always to just crash the caucus so it didn't matter, maybe Iowa was always supposed to be sacrificed, but if Bernie had won Iowa and then proceeded to win all the states leading up to South Carolina I don't think Biden would have won. There's a clear motive.

    And what we do know is Obama played kingmaker by getting almost the entire field of candidates to drop out, including the supposed Iowa winner Buttigieg, to endorse Biden and keep the outsider from recovering after South Carolina.

    Part ordinary party-politics, part suspicious dealing with Shadow Inc., and the outsider was kept from winning. I know is there's no hope for me in that party, because if another outsider comes they will be stopped because the party will circle the wagons.

    Especially now Iowa has been discarded. No more first in the nation, no more caucus, we're just another trash redstate to be ignored.

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  • [+] [S] -9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Now, for my speculation: the Party sabotaged the Iowa caucus to stop an outsider from getting momentum in Iowa.

    That is, at least, a conspiracy. Not one that stands up to scrutiny though. Shadow Inc did screw up. Unfortunately, if you look at state level things in many, many prior elections, that's not uncommon. State level voting systems are tacked together, poorly funded crapshoots.

    And your claims about Obama doesn't have anything to do with the voters. If the people who supported those candidates supported Bernie as a replacement, then that's how they would have voted. But they didn't. He in fact lost worse than in the previous election.

    The fact that the earliest states in the primary have long been those that don't represent the general Democrat voting public has been a complaint for years, if not decades. So changing what states are at the beginning has been something pushed for for years as well.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    That is, at least, a conspiracy. Not one that stands up to scrutiny though. Shadow Inc did screw up. Unfortunately, if you look at state level things in many, many prior elections, that’s not uncommon. State level voting systems are tacked together, poorly funded crapshoots.

    And your claims about Obama doesn’t have anything to do with the voters. If the people who supported those candidates supported Bernie as a replacement, then that’s how they would have voted. But they didn’t. He in fact lost worse than in the previous election.

    So your argument is "all state level elections are fucked and Iowa isn't special". That's actually a reasonable counter argument! Maybe all states look shady and corrupt and broken whenever anyone looks at them as closely as people looked at Iowa after the caucus imploded. If that's the case, though, then that's just a further argument for not trusting the elections!

    And to clarify, I wasn't claiming Obama playing kingmaker was a conspiracy (although it was in the literal sense of the word i.e. multiple politicians conspiring together to make Biden the nominee by endorsing him). That's actually just normal party politics. It just shows that there's actually no hope for an outsider to win a party nomination, which is to be expected.

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