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Exclusive: Recordings, emails show how Trump team flew fake elector ballots to DC in final push to overturn 2020 election (www.cnn.com)
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Two days before the January 6 insurrection, the Trump campaign’s plan to use fake electors to block President-elect Joe Biden from taking office faced a potentially crippling hiccup: The fake elector certificates from two critical battleground states were stuck in the mail.

So, Trump campaign operatives scrambled to fly copies of the phony certificates from Michigan and Wisconsin to the nation’s capital, relying on a haphazard chain of couriers, as well as help from two Republicans in Congress, to try to get the documents to then-Vice President Mike Pence while he presided over the Electoral College certification.

The operatives even considered chartering a jet to ensure the files reached Washington, DC, in time for the January 6, 2021, proceeding, according to emails and recordings obtained by CNN.

The new details provide a behind-the-scenes glimpse of the chaotic last-minute effort to keep Donald Trump in office. The fake electors scheme features prominently in special counsel Jack Smith’s criminal indictment against the former president, and some of the officials who were involved have spoken to Smith’s investigators.

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[–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Bro, you dodged his question. He answered yours.

So how about instead of brushing him off with an insult, you actually pony up some good things you think democrats are doing that doesn't just boil down to "well republicans would have done it worse"

Frankly, I'm on the side of voting democrats with the exact reasoning that Republicans will steer us into fascism. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that they're doing good, they just aren't doing as much bad.

I can't blame people who are disappointed with democrats as a whole, and I think it's a reach to unironically take your position of voting for them because you think they have good policies.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Infrastructure expansion like trains, investing in education, healthcare plans, environmental programs, etc.

    But of course you already know of all these so why do you need to ask the question?

    (I'm not even from USA myself, but your Republicans have such deranged policies that it spills over to us in impacts on trade, etc)

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Infrastructure expansion like trains

    We'll see. Congress doesn't like the president spending money without their explicit approval. At this stage of planning, it's little more than grandstanding by the president.

    investing in education

    See above. Congress undid Biden's first attempt at debt relief. It's still unclear if the second attempt will pan out. Cool if it does though. Still an if.

    healthcare plans

    The ACA really only pays out for people far enough below the poverty line that they basically don't have income. My wife and I make $50k/year. Not even enough to own a house here. I still shell out $600/month for basic healthcare for two, with a $1000 deductible we each have to pay before the insurance even starts covering costs. And that's considered a good plan. Deductibles can legally be as high as $10,000 per person before insurance starts paying anything.

    The ACA isn't exactly a shining achievement for democrats.

    environmental programs

    I'll give you that one. My state is building and opening the largest carbon capture facility in the world so far, because of democratic policy.

    etc

    Etcetera is what people say when they run out of examples. By my count you've got 1 (one) example of good that democrats have done that has actually materialized and isn't in jeopardy of failing as soon as someone actually has to approve the funding. Most democratic policies die in congress.

    But of course you already know of all these so why do you need to ask the question?

    No need to be an asshole, I'm just here demonstrating for you that the broad strokes you're painting are not even close to the actual situation.

    (I'm not even from USA myself, but your Republicans have such deranged policies that it spills over to us in impacts on trade, etc)

    I'm with you on this one. Republicans are deranged in general. But it's abundantly clear that you do not live here. Democrats had 3 years to do something constructive, and they mostly haven't even managed to undo the damage Trump has done, let alone enact policies that benefit the majority of Americans.

    In fact, democrats lost a major civil rights battle during their tenure (Roe v Wade) without even putting up a fight. I absolutely cannot blame democrat voters for being disappointed.

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