▲ 394 ▼ Rate of suicide in the U.S. peaks among older men, a hard demographic to reach (www.usatoday.com) submitted 2 years ago by AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 120 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) thats good and all but am I the only man who can pretty much only connect with women, on an emotional level? I've had some good male friends but expecting them to understand or relate is very difficult. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Nepenthe@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not especially surprising to hear. Women are raised their whole lives to play emotional support with everyone. Which is also why all their friends invariably turn into unrequited love: they're just treating their guy friend identically to how they treat their women friends, but the guy's never received the basic decency of consideration unless it was romantic. But men are trained to problem solve whatever they can't stuff down and ignore, aren't they? And from what I've heard, hanging out generally prohibits anything emotionally heavy? They're logically in the same position you are. I would find it hard to believe at least one person among them doesn't relate. It would make more sense to me to wonder if they just...have no idea how to be supportive. A distressing number of grown men can't even put a name to their feelings beyond "sad" and "pissed off." What do they do if you just..tell them you feel like that? A friend who doesn't care to address what you're going through or to rectify that kind of relationship disconnect when it's brought up isn't really a friend. Maybe an acquaintance at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago What do they do if you just…tell them you feel like that? They are either dismissive or don't understand. I often have to educate them on topics of mental health which is tiring after years without support of my own. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CherenkovBlue@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In my experience as the female friend, no, this is common. However, perhaps you should ask yourself why this is. Men as a whole class in our society do not seem able to connect emotionally and empathically with each other because they haven't learned how to. You can (as a group) learn to do this, but you collectively need to decide you want to and to act. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can (as a group) learn to do this, but you collectively need to decide you want to and to act. Let me just bring it up at the next Boys Club meeting /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CherenkovBlue@iusearchlinux.fyi -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) So become the founding member of the Boys Club. It's not necessarily going to be easy, but if it's worth doing, you should stick to it. Edit: I was the leader of a labor organizing group for a year or so until it was shut down by state shenanigans... So I do have experience in building a group and solidarity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nepenthe@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It's not especially surprising to hear. Women are raised their whole lives to play emotional support with everyone. Which is also why all their friends invariably turn into unrequited love: they're just treating their guy friend identically to how they treat their women friends, but the guy's never received the basic decency of consideration unless it was romantic. But men are trained to problem solve whatever they can't stuff down and ignore, aren't they? And from what I've heard, hanging out generally prohibits anything emotionally heavy? They're logically in the same position you are. I would find it hard to believe at least one person among them doesn't relate. It would make more sense to me to wonder if they just...have no idea how to be supportive. A distressing number of grown men can't even put a name to their feelings beyond "sad" and "pissed off." What do they do if you just..tell them you feel like that? A friend who doesn't care to address what you're going through or to rectify that kind of relationship disconnect when it's brought up isn't really a friend. Maybe an acquaintance at best. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago What do they do if you just…tell them you feel like that? They are either dismissive or don't understand. I often have to educate them on topics of mental health which is tiring after years without support of my own. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago What do they do if you just…tell them you feel like that? They are either dismissive or don't understand. I often have to educate them on topics of mental health which is tiring after years without support of my own. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CherenkovBlue@iusearchlinux.fyi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) In my experience as the female friend, no, this is common. However, perhaps you should ask yourself why this is. Men as a whole class in our society do not seem able to connect emotionally and empathically with each other because they haven't learned how to. You can (as a group) learn to do this, but you collectively need to decide you want to and to act. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can (as a group) learn to do this, but you collectively need to decide you want to and to act. Let me just bring it up at the next Boys Club meeting /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CherenkovBlue@iusearchlinux.fyi -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) So become the founding member of the Boys Club. It's not necessarily going to be easy, but if it's worth doing, you should stick to it. Edit: I was the leader of a labor organizing group for a year or so until it was shut down by state shenanigans... So I do have experience in building a group and solidarity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You can (as a group) learn to do this, but you collectively need to decide you want to and to act. Let me just bring it up at the next Boys Club meeting /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CherenkovBlue@iusearchlinux.fyi -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) So become the founding member of the Boys Club. It's not necessarily going to be easy, but if it's worth doing, you should stick to it. Edit: I was the leader of a labor organizing group for a year or so until it was shut down by state shenanigans... So I do have experience in building a group and solidarity. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CherenkovBlue@iusearchlinux.fyi -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) So become the founding member of the Boys Club. It's not necessarily going to be easy, but if it's worth doing, you should stick to it. Edit: I was the leader of a labor organizing group for a year or so until it was shut down by state shenanigans... So I do have experience in building a group and solidarity. permalink fedilink source parent