▲ 2458 ▼ Here we go again (lemmus.org) submitted 3 years ago by jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world 350 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 172 points 3 years ago (8 children) I hate to be a pessimist but if people hate Musk as much as they seem to, but can't leave twitter, or post "Fuck Spez" thousands of times, but won't leave reddit, I'm cautious about how much of an exodous I expect to see from chrome. I think its time we face the fact that most people will trade almost anything for convenience. permalink fedilink source hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Kerrigor@kbin.social 76 points 3 years ago (1 child) The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate. Sure. And here we are. I'm sure these companies consider us a real fly in the ointment. But I'm not inclined to believe the past is perfectly predictive of the future. What you described is also, in my perspective, how things have gone in the past. But will it happen the same way this time? I don't know. I'm not confident based on what I've seen. They are trying to close in the walls on the internet and they are confident that people are too lazy to stop them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 40 points 3 years ago (3 children) If Internet Explorer managed to fall from 96% market share to complete irrelevance, Chrome is not immortal either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago You arent wrong. But, acectdata and mine own, convenience drove that. People are fucking lazy and hate nothing more than to be inconvenienced. When chrome was getting traction, explorer was trasshhhhhhhhh and every one knew it. Chrome might be a bit bloated but its no explorer. If it doesn't hurt people to stay, I don't think we'll see a shift. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 9 points 3 years ago Times have changed. The userbase that dropped IE was a vastly different one. With the internet being more accessible and more alluring to the massed (i.e. because of social media) convenience is king. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BubblyMango@lemmy.wtf 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Back then internet users werent normies, but nreds and tech savy people. Also, chrome learned from IE's mistakes. It wont stop functioning and will keep updating, so the average normy user wont mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] somePotato@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) With the way every site is these days, removing adblock is worse than not functioning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Notorious_handholder@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago I genuinely don't know how Ill use the web without ad block. Cause I damn sure ain't going back to paying for anti-virus like in the 90's for a web experience that is objectively worse and less magical enough to risk it. Drive by malware and viruses from ads has gotten scarily good at infecting systems without you knowing. It's worse than ever as it's not just a sketchy site issue thing anymore either. Even reputable sites have ads that only take one misclick to infect you now permalink fedilink source parent [–] FederatedSaint@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago (2 children) You made me proud of myself! I have left all three! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) They better watch out. There are dozens of us. Dozens! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doot@social.bug.expert 1 point 3 years ago I shamefully still use chrome for work hehe permalink fedilink source parent [–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 years ago I cannot leave Twitter as I never used it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] manucode@infosec.pub 10 points 3 years ago (2 children) Browsers at least, unlike social networks, don't benefit from networking effects. How many people use a specific browser doesn't directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google's Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago How many people use a specific browser doesn’t directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google’s Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it. Thats a great point and something to consider. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Delphia@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago True. I MUST use Edge at work and honestly, its fine. Its not some radical departure from Firefox, i dont have to think too hard about the differences. permalink fedilink source parent [–] umulu@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I switched to Firefox on windows and android on the same day as I saw that WEI bullshit. I don't know why the fuck I was thinking it would be a worse experience... It's the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) Bro wait till you install Linux. It's actually better as a stock experience than windows 11. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] westyvw@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] umulu@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I have used Ubuntu for a few months, and for me, windows 10 is still better. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dopeshark@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Pessimist, but most likely right permalink fedilink source parent [–] Spudwart@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Google broke on Firefox for a while a day ago for me. Went to some other search engine. Jumping from social media is hard. Jumping from applications is not. teamspeak became Skype which became discord. And many of us did leave Reddit. I didn’t even leave because I cared about the protests or what Reddit was doing. I left because many posts were deleted, people left, subreddits became abandoned. Lemmy became better than Reddit basically overnight. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org [S] 1 point 3 years ago It is a slow process, most will still use it, but it will be less and less as time passes. Twitter is a different beast, most of the people you follow on twitter are only active in certain groups. All we can do is inform them and focus on what we do, no need to be stuck on what others do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kerrigor@kbin.social 76 points 3 years ago (1 child) The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate. Sure. And here we are. I'm sure these companies consider us a real fly in the ointment. But I'm not inclined to believe the past is perfectly predictive of the future. What you described is also, in my perspective, how things have gone in the past. But will it happen the same way this time? I don't know. I'm not confident based on what I've seen. They are trying to close in the walls on the internet and they are confident that people are too lazy to stop them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 30 points 3 years ago The piece that gets continuously underestimated is who moves in these small initial jumps. It tends to be the more technically inclined, who over the next couple years, their recommendations will lead to friends and family moving as well, at a slower rate. Sure. And here we are. I'm sure these companies consider us a real fly in the ointment. But I'm not inclined to believe the past is perfectly predictive of the future. What you described is also, in my perspective, how things have gone in the past. But will it happen the same way this time? I don't know. I'm not confident based on what I've seen. They are trying to close in the walls on the internet and they are confident that people are too lazy to stop them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 40 points 3 years ago (3 children) If Internet Explorer managed to fall from 96% market share to complete irrelevance, Chrome is not immortal either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago You arent wrong. But, acectdata and mine own, convenience drove that. People are fucking lazy and hate nothing more than to be inconvenienced. When chrome was getting traction, explorer was trasshhhhhhhhh and every one knew it. Chrome might be a bit bloated but its no explorer. If it doesn't hurt people to stay, I don't think we'll see a shift. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 9 points 3 years ago Times have changed. The userbase that dropped IE was a vastly different one. With the internet being more accessible and more alluring to the massed (i.e. because of social media) convenience is king. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BubblyMango@lemmy.wtf 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Back then internet users werent normies, but nreds and tech savy people. Also, chrome learned from IE's mistakes. It wont stop functioning and will keep updating, so the average normy user wont mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] somePotato@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) With the way every site is these days, removing adblock is worse than not functioning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Notorious_handholder@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago I genuinely don't know how Ill use the web without ad block. Cause I damn sure ain't going back to paying for anti-virus like in the 90's for a web experience that is objectively worse and less magical enough to risk it. Drive by malware and viruses from ads has gotten scarily good at infecting systems without you knowing. It's worse than ever as it's not just a sketchy site issue thing anymore either. Even reputable sites have ads that only take one misclick to infect you now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 21 points 3 years ago You arent wrong. But, acectdata and mine own, convenience drove that. People are fucking lazy and hate nothing more than to be inconvenienced. When chrome was getting traction, explorer was trasshhhhhhhhh and every one knew it. Chrome might be a bit bloated but its no explorer. If it doesn't hurt people to stay, I don't think we'll see a shift. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 9 points 3 years ago Times have changed. The userbase that dropped IE was a vastly different one. With the internet being more accessible and more alluring to the massed (i.e. because of social media) convenience is king. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BubblyMango@lemmy.wtf 9 points 3 years ago (1 child) Back then internet users werent normies, but nreds and tech savy people. Also, chrome learned from IE's mistakes. It wont stop functioning and will keep updating, so the average normy user wont mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] somePotato@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) With the way every site is these days, removing adblock is worse than not functioning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Notorious_handholder@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago I genuinely don't know how Ill use the web without ad block. Cause I damn sure ain't going back to paying for anti-virus like in the 90's for a web experience that is objectively worse and less magical enough to risk it. Drive by malware and viruses from ads has gotten scarily good at infecting systems without you knowing. It's worse than ever as it's not just a sketchy site issue thing anymore either. Even reputable sites have ads that only take one misclick to infect you now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] somePotato@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) With the way every site is these days, removing adblock is worse than not functioning permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Notorious_handholder@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago I genuinely don't know how Ill use the web without ad block. Cause I damn sure ain't going back to paying for anti-virus like in the 90's for a web experience that is objectively worse and less magical enough to risk it. Drive by malware and viruses from ads has gotten scarily good at infecting systems without you knowing. It's worse than ever as it's not just a sketchy site issue thing anymore either. Even reputable sites have ads that only take one misclick to infect you now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Notorious_handholder@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago I genuinely don't know how Ill use the web without ad block. Cause I damn sure ain't going back to paying for anti-virus like in the 90's for a web experience that is objectively worse and less magical enough to risk it. Drive by malware and viruses from ads has gotten scarily good at infecting systems without you knowing. It's worse than ever as it's not just a sketchy site issue thing anymore either. Even reputable sites have ads that only take one misclick to infect you now permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FederatedSaint@lemmy.world 15 points 3 years ago (2 children) You made me proud of myself! I have left all three! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) They better watch out. There are dozens of us. Dozens! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doot@social.bug.expert 1 point 3 years ago I shamefully still use chrome for work hehe permalink fedilink source parent [–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 years ago I cannot leave Twitter as I never used it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) They better watch out. There are dozens of us. Dozens! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doot@social.bug.expert 1 point 3 years ago I shamefully still use chrome for work hehe permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doot@social.bug.expert 1 point 3 years ago I shamefully still use chrome for work hehe permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 years ago I cannot leave Twitter as I never used it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] manucode@infosec.pub 10 points 3 years ago (2 children) Browsers at least, unlike social networks, don't benefit from networking effects. How many people use a specific browser doesn't directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google's Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago How many people use a specific browser doesn’t directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google’s Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it. Thats a great point and something to consider. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Delphia@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago True. I MUST use Edge at work and honestly, its fine. Its not some radical departure from Firefox, i dont have to think too hard about the differences. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago How many people use a specific browser doesn’t directly affect the usefulness of that browser, as users of different browsers can interact with each other to the same degree as users of the same browser. For now at least, as Google’s Web Integrity API could obviously change that if websites start to require and some browser are unable or unwilling to provide it. Thats a great point and something to consider. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago True. I MUST use Edge at work and honestly, its fine. Its not some radical departure from Firefox, i dont have to think too hard about the differences. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] umulu@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I switched to Firefox on windows and android on the same day as I saw that WEI bullshit. I don't know why the fuck I was thinking it would be a worse experience... It's the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) Bro wait till you install Linux. It's actually better as a stock experience than windows 11. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] westyvw@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] umulu@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I have used Ubuntu for a few months, and for me, windows 10 is still better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) Bro wait till you install Linux. It's actually better as a stock experience than windows 11. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] westyvw@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] umulu@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I have used Ubuntu for a few months, and for me, windows 10 is still better. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] westyvw@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] umulu@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I have used Ubuntu for a few months, and for me, windows 10 is still better. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dopeshark@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago Pessimist, but most likely right permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Spudwart@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago Google broke on Firefox for a while a day ago for me. Went to some other search engine. Jumping from social media is hard. Jumping from applications is not. teamspeak became Skype which became discord. And many of us did leave Reddit. I didn’t even leave because I cared about the protests or what Reddit was doing. I left because many posts were deleted, people left, subreddits became abandoned. Lemmy became better than Reddit basically overnight. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jimmydoreisalefty@lemmus.org [S] 1 point 3 years ago It is a slow process, most will still use it, but it will be less and less as time passes. Twitter is a different beast, most of the people you follow on twitter are only active in certain groups. All we can do is inform them and focus on what we do, no need to be stuck on what others do. permalink fedilink source parent