โฒ 526 โผ Whats your such opinion (discuss.tchncs.de) submitted 2 years ago by cryptix@discuss.tchncs.de to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml 1195 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) 12 year olds voting, Jesus Christ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you afraid they'll do? What are you afraid they'll do that old people don't already do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lack understanding and life experiences permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which would end in...? You go in the booth, it's Option A or Option B. You fill in the box. Nobody cares why. What you've said here is a meaningless non-answer based on culturally ingrained prejudice. In reality, we already don't require old people to actually have or demonstrate either of those things. Sheltered people and hermits aren't denied the vote. They don't have to have experienced anything but the passage of time, regardless of how little they've filled it with. People who watch lies on purpose aren't denied the vote. They might have no understanding but misunderstanding and still are able to steer the course of the country based on delusions and propaganda. Think of every garbage politician you've seen get elected. All the damage they've done. And realize that old people elected every single one of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which would end in...? Even dumber shit than we now have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) At this point I have to conclude you're not ready to address this conversation in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are arguing for 12-yo voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least you followed that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yw permalink fedilink source parent [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Why not? Have you talked to a twelve year old recently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have and that's exactly why. I have also been one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. Is a 12 year old actually worse in any way? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Because they're like the average person, but even worse since they don't have the life experience and understanding older people have. We are talking about 12-yo people ffs. Even compared to average adult they're totally retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know 12 year olds that are working part time to help raise siblings, and I know 30 year olds that have never left their hometown or read a book that wasn't required in school. Old people with lots of life experience don't understand data privacy and think climate science is a fad. Young people have a unique perspective on issues like education, social security, and economic investment in the future. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Why does intelligence factor into your objection? We don't ask adults to pass a test, nor should we. While I object to you using "retarded" to call children stupid, your slur undercuts your own argument. Adults with intellectual disabilities are able to vote without any obstacles or tests. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. They may not make the decisions we would like them to make, and they may regret their decisions, but again how is that different from any adult? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Calling 12-yo's takes "unique" is certainly one way to phrase it. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Because you have to set the bar somewhere. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. Have you actually met any 12-year-olds? Their understanding of stuff is retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm happy to debate this with you, but that's the second time you've used a slur disparaging people with disabilites. Hope your day is as pleasant as you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What, do you mean retard? Does it mean something other than mentally retarded or what's the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is an outdated term for intellectually disabled, and using it when you mean "stupid" is offensive. Intellectual disability is not the same as intelligence. Calling someone disabled as an insult is offensive. People with disabilities are not lesser than you, and it is the height of arrogance to look down upon people who overcome adversity to educate themselves while simultaneously being objectively wrong and demonstrably ignorant on the subject. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) What are you afraid they'll do? What are you afraid they'll do that old people don't already do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lack understanding and life experiences permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which would end in...? You go in the booth, it's Option A or Option B. You fill in the box. Nobody cares why. What you've said here is a meaningless non-answer based on culturally ingrained prejudice. In reality, we already don't require old people to actually have or demonstrate either of those things. Sheltered people and hermits aren't denied the vote. They don't have to have experienced anything but the passage of time, regardless of how little they've filled it with. People who watch lies on purpose aren't denied the vote. They might have no understanding but misunderstanding and still are able to steer the course of the country based on delusions and propaganda. Think of every garbage politician you've seen get elected. All the damage they've done. And realize that old people elected every single one of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which would end in...? Even dumber shit than we now have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) At this point I have to conclude you're not ready to address this conversation in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are arguing for 12-yo voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least you followed that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yw permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lack understanding and life experiences permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which would end in...? You go in the booth, it's Option A or Option B. You fill in the box. Nobody cares why. What you've said here is a meaningless non-answer based on culturally ingrained prejudice. In reality, we already don't require old people to actually have or demonstrate either of those things. Sheltered people and hermits aren't denied the vote. They don't have to have experienced anything but the passage of time, regardless of how little they've filled it with. People who watch lies on purpose aren't denied the vote. They might have no understanding but misunderstanding and still are able to steer the course of the country based on delusions and propaganda. Think of every garbage politician you've seen get elected. All the damage they've done. And realize that old people elected every single one of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which would end in...? Even dumber shit than we now have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) At this point I have to conclude you're not ready to address this conversation in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are arguing for 12-yo voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least you followed that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yw permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which would end in...? You go in the booth, it's Option A or Option B. You fill in the box. Nobody cares why. What you've said here is a meaningless non-answer based on culturally ingrained prejudice. In reality, we already don't require old people to actually have or demonstrate either of those things. Sheltered people and hermits aren't denied the vote. They don't have to have experienced anything but the passage of time, regardless of how little they've filled it with. People who watch lies on purpose aren't denied the vote. They might have no understanding but misunderstanding and still are able to steer the course of the country based on delusions and propaganda. Think of every garbage politician you've seen get elected. All the damage they've done. And realize that old people elected every single one of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which would end in...? Even dumber shit than we now have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) At this point I have to conclude you're not ready to address this conversation in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are arguing for 12-yo voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least you followed that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yw permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Which would end in...? Even dumber shit than we now have permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) At this point I have to conclude you're not ready to address this conversation in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are arguing for 12-yo voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least you followed that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yw permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) At this point I have to conclude you're not ready to address this conversation in good faith. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are arguing for 12-yo voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least you followed that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yw permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) You are arguing for 12-yo voters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least you followed that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yw permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Xariphon@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least you followed that far. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Yw permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Why not? Have you talked to a twelve year old recently? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have and that's exactly why. I have also been one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. Is a 12 year old actually worse in any way? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Because they're like the average person, but even worse since they don't have the life experience and understanding older people have. We are talking about 12-yo people ffs. Even compared to average adult they're totally retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know 12 year olds that are working part time to help raise siblings, and I know 30 year olds that have never left their hometown or read a book that wasn't required in school. Old people with lots of life experience don't understand data privacy and think climate science is a fad. Young people have a unique perspective on issues like education, social security, and economic investment in the future. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Why does intelligence factor into your objection? We don't ask adults to pass a test, nor should we. While I object to you using "retarded" to call children stupid, your slur undercuts your own argument. Adults with intellectual disabilities are able to vote without any obstacles or tests. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. They may not make the decisions we would like them to make, and they may regret their decisions, but again how is that different from any adult? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Calling 12-yo's takes "unique" is certainly one way to phrase it. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Because you have to set the bar somewhere. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. Have you actually met any 12-year-olds? Their understanding of stuff is retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm happy to debate this with you, but that's the second time you've used a slur disparaging people with disabilites. Hope your day is as pleasant as you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What, do you mean retard? Does it mean something other than mentally retarded or what's the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is an outdated term for intellectually disabled, and using it when you mean "stupid" is offensive. Intellectual disability is not the same as intelligence. Calling someone disabled as an insult is offensive. People with disabilities are not lesser than you, and it is the height of arrogance to look down upon people who overcome adversity to educate themselves while simultaneously being objectively wrong and demonstrably ignorant on the subject. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have and that's exactly why. I have also been one. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. Is a 12 year old actually worse in any way? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Because they're like the average person, but even worse since they don't have the life experience and understanding older people have. We are talking about 12-yo people ffs. Even compared to average adult they're totally retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know 12 year olds that are working part time to help raise siblings, and I know 30 year olds that have never left their hometown or read a book that wasn't required in school. Old people with lots of life experience don't understand data privacy and think climate science is a fad. Young people have a unique perspective on issues like education, social security, and economic investment in the future. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Why does intelligence factor into your objection? We don't ask adults to pass a test, nor should we. While I object to you using "retarded" to call children stupid, your slur undercuts your own argument. Adults with intellectual disabilities are able to vote without any obstacles or tests. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. They may not make the decisions we would like them to make, and they may regret their decisions, but again how is that different from any adult? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Calling 12-yo's takes "unique" is certainly one way to phrase it. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Because you have to set the bar somewhere. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. Have you actually met any 12-year-olds? Their understanding of stuff is retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm happy to debate this with you, but that's the second time you've used a slur disparaging people with disabilites. Hope your day is as pleasant as you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What, do you mean retard? Does it mean something other than mentally retarded or what's the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is an outdated term for intellectually disabled, and using it when you mean "stupid" is offensive. Intellectual disability is not the same as intelligence. Calling someone disabled as an insult is offensive. People with disabilities are not lesser than you, and it is the height of arrogance to look down upon people who overcome adversity to educate themselves while simultaneously being objectively wrong and demonstrably ignorant on the subject. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter. Is a 12 year old actually worse in any way? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Because they're like the average person, but even worse since they don't have the life experience and understanding older people have. We are talking about 12-yo people ffs. Even compared to average adult they're totally retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know 12 year olds that are working part time to help raise siblings, and I know 30 year olds that have never left their hometown or read a book that wasn't required in school. Old people with lots of life experience don't understand data privacy and think climate science is a fad. Young people have a unique perspective on issues like education, social security, and economic investment in the future. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Why does intelligence factor into your objection? We don't ask adults to pass a test, nor should we. While I object to you using "retarded" to call children stupid, your slur undercuts your own argument. Adults with intellectual disabilities are able to vote without any obstacles or tests. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. They may not make the decisions we would like them to make, and they may regret their decisions, but again how is that different from any adult? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Calling 12-yo's takes "unique" is certainly one way to phrase it. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Because you have to set the bar somewhere. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. Have you actually met any 12-year-olds? Their understanding of stuff is retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm happy to debate this with you, but that's the second time you've used a slur disparaging people with disabilites. Hope your day is as pleasant as you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What, do you mean retard? Does it mean something other than mentally retarded or what's the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is an outdated term for intellectually disabled, and using it when you mean "stupid" is offensive. Intellectual disability is not the same as intelligence. Calling someone disabled as an insult is offensive. People with disabilities are not lesser than you, and it is the height of arrogance to look down upon people who overcome adversity to educate themselves while simultaneously being objectively wrong and demonstrably ignorant on the subject. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Because they're like the average person, but even worse since they don't have the life experience and understanding older people have. We are talking about 12-yo people ffs. Even compared to average adult they're totally retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know 12 year olds that are working part time to help raise siblings, and I know 30 year olds that have never left their hometown or read a book that wasn't required in school. Old people with lots of life experience don't understand data privacy and think climate science is a fad. Young people have a unique perspective on issues like education, social security, and economic investment in the future. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Why does intelligence factor into your objection? We don't ask adults to pass a test, nor should we. While I object to you using "retarded" to call children stupid, your slur undercuts your own argument. Adults with intellectual disabilities are able to vote without any obstacles or tests. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. They may not make the decisions we would like them to make, and they may regret their decisions, but again how is that different from any adult? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Calling 12-yo's takes "unique" is certainly one way to phrase it. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Because you have to set the bar somewhere. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. Have you actually met any 12-year-olds? Their understanding of stuff is retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm happy to debate this with you, but that's the second time you've used a slur disparaging people with disabilites. Hope your day is as pleasant as you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What, do you mean retard? Does it mean something other than mentally retarded or what's the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is an outdated term for intellectually disabled, and using it when you mean "stupid" is offensive. Intellectual disability is not the same as intelligence. Calling someone disabled as an insult is offensive. People with disabilities are not lesser than you, and it is the height of arrogance to look down upon people who overcome adversity to educate themselves while simultaneously being objectively wrong and demonstrably ignorant on the subject. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Because... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Because they're like the average person, but even worse since they don't have the life experience and understanding older people have. We are talking about 12-yo people ffs. Even compared to average adult they're totally retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know 12 year olds that are working part time to help raise siblings, and I know 30 year olds that have never left their hometown or read a book that wasn't required in school. Old people with lots of life experience don't understand data privacy and think climate science is a fad. Young people have a unique perspective on issues like education, social security, and economic investment in the future. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Why does intelligence factor into your objection? We don't ask adults to pass a test, nor should we. While I object to you using "retarded" to call children stupid, your slur undercuts your own argument. Adults with intellectual disabilities are able to vote without any obstacles or tests. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. They may not make the decisions we would like them to make, and they may regret their decisions, but again how is that different from any adult? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Calling 12-yo's takes "unique" is certainly one way to phrase it. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Because you have to set the bar somewhere. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. Have you actually met any 12-year-olds? Their understanding of stuff is retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm happy to debate this with you, but that's the second time you've used a slur disparaging people with disabilites. Hope your day is as pleasant as you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What, do you mean retard? Does it mean something other than mentally retarded or what's the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is an outdated term for intellectually disabled, and using it when you mean "stupid" is offensive. Intellectual disability is not the same as intelligence. Calling someone disabled as an insult is offensive. People with disabilities are not lesser than you, and it is the height of arrogance to look down upon people who overcome adversity to educate themselves while simultaneously being objectively wrong and demonstrably ignorant on the subject. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Because they're like the average person, but even worse since they don't have the life experience and understanding older people have. We are talking about 12-yo people ffs. Even compared to average adult they're totally retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know 12 year olds that are working part time to help raise siblings, and I know 30 year olds that have never left their hometown or read a book that wasn't required in school. Old people with lots of life experience don't understand data privacy and think climate science is a fad. Young people have a unique perspective on issues like education, social security, and economic investment in the future. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Why does intelligence factor into your objection? We don't ask adults to pass a test, nor should we. While I object to you using "retarded" to call children stupid, your slur undercuts your own argument. Adults with intellectual disabilities are able to vote without any obstacles or tests. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. They may not make the decisions we would like them to make, and they may regret their decisions, but again how is that different from any adult? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Calling 12-yo's takes "unique" is certainly one way to phrase it. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Because you have to set the bar somewhere. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. Have you actually met any 12-year-olds? Their understanding of stuff is retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm happy to debate this with you, but that's the second time you've used a slur disparaging people with disabilites. Hope your day is as pleasant as you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What, do you mean retard? Does it mean something other than mentally retarded or what's the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is an outdated term for intellectually disabled, and using it when you mean "stupid" is offensive. Intellectual disability is not the same as intelligence. Calling someone disabled as an insult is offensive. People with disabilities are not lesser than you, and it is the height of arrogance to look down upon people who overcome adversity to educate themselves while simultaneously being objectively wrong and demonstrably ignorant on the subject. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know 12 year olds that are working part time to help raise siblings, and I know 30 year olds that have never left their hometown or read a book that wasn't required in school. Old people with lots of life experience don't understand data privacy and think climate science is a fad. Young people have a unique perspective on issues like education, social security, and economic investment in the future. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Why does intelligence factor into your objection? We don't ask adults to pass a test, nor should we. While I object to you using "retarded" to call children stupid, your slur undercuts your own argument. Adults with intellectual disabilities are able to vote without any obstacles or tests. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. They may not make the decisions we would like them to make, and they may regret their decisions, but again how is that different from any adult? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Calling 12-yo's takes "unique" is certainly one way to phrase it. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Because you have to set the bar somewhere. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. Have you actually met any 12-year-olds? Their understanding of stuff is retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm happy to debate this with you, but that's the second time you've used a slur disparaging people with disabilites. Hope your day is as pleasant as you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What, do you mean retard? Does it mean something other than mentally retarded or what's the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is an outdated term for intellectually disabled, and using it when you mean "stupid" is offensive. Intellectual disability is not the same as intelligence. Calling someone disabled as an insult is offensive. People with disabilities are not lesser than you, and it is the height of arrogance to look down upon people who overcome adversity to educate themselves while simultaneously being objectively wrong and demonstrably ignorant on the subject. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Calling 12-yo's takes "unique" is certainly one way to phrase it. Why is that life experience less valid at 12 than at 18? Why is life experience necessary at all? Because you have to set the bar somewhere. The average 12 year old is perfectly capable of understanding complex topics and making informed decisions. Have you actually met any 12-year-olds? Their understanding of stuff is retarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm happy to debate this with you, but that's the second time you've used a slur disparaging people with disabilites. Hope your day is as pleasant as you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What, do you mean retard? Does it mean something other than mentally retarded or what's the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is an outdated term for intellectually disabled, and using it when you mean "stupid" is offensive. Intellectual disability is not the same as intelligence. Calling someone disabled as an insult is offensive. People with disabilities are not lesser than you, and it is the height of arrogance to look down upon people who overcome adversity to educate themselves while simultaneously being objectively wrong and demonstrably ignorant on the subject. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm happy to debate this with you, but that's the second time you've used a slur disparaging people with disabilites. Hope your day is as pleasant as you are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What, do you mean retard? Does it mean something other than mentally retarded or what's the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is an outdated term for intellectually disabled, and using it when you mean "stupid" is offensive. Intellectual disability is not the same as intelligence. Calling someone disabled as an insult is offensive. People with disabilities are not lesser than you, and it is the height of arrogance to look down upon people who overcome adversity to educate themselves while simultaneously being objectively wrong and demonstrably ignorant on the subject. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) What, do you mean retard? Does it mean something other than mentally retarded or what's the issue permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is an outdated term for intellectually disabled, and using it when you mean "stupid" is offensive. Intellectual disability is not the same as intelligence. Calling someone disabled as an insult is offensive. People with disabilities are not lesser than you, and it is the height of arrogance to look down upon people who overcome adversity to educate themselves while simultaneously being objectively wrong and demonstrably ignorant on the subject. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) It is an outdated term for intellectually disabled, and using it when you mean "stupid" is offensive. Intellectual disability is not the same as intelligence. Calling someone disabled as an insult is offensive. People with disabilities are not lesser than you, and it is the height of arrogance to look down upon people who overcome adversity to educate themselves while simultaneously being objectively wrong and demonstrably ignorant on the subject. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Intellectual disability (ID), also known as general learning disability in the United Kingdom[3] and formerly mental retardation,[4][5] is a generalized neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by significantly impaired intellectual and adaptive functioning. It is defined by an IQ under 70, in addition to deficits in two or more adaptive behaviors that affect everyday, general living. I'm saying they are intellectually deficit compared even to the average adult. Would you be happier if I called them illectually disabled? Dunno what that even changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) No, because they aren't intellectually disabled, and calling someone intellectually disabled should not be something you say to insult people. The only difference is that you're not using a slur to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
[โ] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago They're not mentally retarded, they're just on the same level intellectually permalink fedilink source parent
